Boxing Roundtable

Boxing arguments never stay polite for long, and that’s exactly what makes this roundtable so fun. We sit down and go straight from laughs to legacy: who we grew up watching, why certain fighters still feel untouchable, and how the sport shaped our idea of toughness, discipline, and greatness.

We debate favorite fighters and the greatest heavyweight of all time, with names like Mike Tyson, Muhammad Ali, and Rocky Marciano at the center of the storm. From there, we zoom out into boxing history and the weight-class eras that made fans for life, especially the middleweights who brought speed, skill, and all-out wars. We also get into what’s changed: more divisions, fewer shared “appointment TV” moments, and the way MMA has pulled attention and athletes into a different lane.

Then we go practical. Boxing workouts come up for a reason: heavy bag rounds, shadowboxing, jump rope, footwork, stretching, and the mental grind that separates people who dabble from people who fight. We talk venues like Las Vegas and Madison Square Garden, but also the underrated factor fans feel every weekend: time zones, start times, and why being the main event matters.

We close with the modern lightning rod: Jake Paul’s boxing career. Is he a real boxer, an entertainer, a net positive for boxing’s future, or all of the above? Listen, pick a side, and then help us out: subscribe, share this with a friend, and leave a review. Who’s your heavyweight GOAT and why?

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Opening And Setup

SPEAKER_05 4:48

Welcome everybody to another episode of the Ride Home Rants podcast. This is as always your host, Mike Bono. I got a great episode for us today. We've had a lot of fighters and mixed martial artists and combat sports guys on the show. So we're gonna sit here and we have a roundtable all things boxing here today. And we're gonna talk about that. I got a panel of guests, I'm gonna let them introduce themselves here. And guys, I need your name and the answers to these two questions. And it is do you prefer to shower in the morning or at night? And what are your thoughts? Elephants and D Frank, we're gonna start with you.

SPEAKER_07 5:29

Well, D Frank, I I gotta be honest with you. It's a bigger guy, it's usually both at night and in the morning. It's a double dipper, it's a double shower because let's be honest, you don't want to be the sweaty guy. And when it comes to elephants, I have trouble trusting anything that doesn't forget and has a bigger dork than I do.

SPEAKER_06 5:49

Matt, let's go to you next. Ooh, hard to follow that one. Matt Altimore, I like showering in the night when everything's all settled in and done. And really didn't have an opinion on elephants, and but that's a pretty convention argument there, D Frank. That's a pretty good thing to not trust.

SPEAKER_05 6:12

The vampire coach himself, though.

SPEAKER_03 6:15

Oh yeah, Mr. Mr. Ask Q, aka the vampire coach. You know, I'm in vampire mode, so you know you know, when I get ready to shower, you already know what time it is, man. It's either nighttime or in the morning. Figure that one out. But but hey, my what's my thoughts on elephant? Hey, if if it's alive, I'll pull it on the grill. So my thought is I'll put those on the phone. It's going on the grill, baby. Right next to the risk.

SPEAKER_04 6:49

I love this panel. We're not even done yet. Rusty, we got you next.

SPEAKER_00 6:54

Hey man, I'll shower at night. Get up too early to go to work and have to worry about all that in the morning, so I'll be ready to go in the morning. The elephant thing, I it's all about the trunk. Okay, all about the trunk. You can use your you can use your imagination. It's all about the trunk.

SPEAKER_04 7:13

Last but not least, Petty.

SPEAKER_01 7:16

Yeah, I mean, that's a hard buttons to follow, but everybody knows me. I'm fitting. I like to shower in the morning, so I like to get everything done. If people know me, I'm usually up at three in the morning. I get all my stuff done before I go to work, three, four in the morning, get all my stuff done because when I come home, I want to come home, I want to change, I want to have dinner, and I want to do nothing. So I like to shower in the morning. As far as elephants go, I mean, it's the most powerful land animal. If you chat GPT it, there's nothing that can actually take down an elephant one-on-one, except maybe like a 40-foot anaconda that comes out of a tree the right way. Or maybe, or maybe Mr. Ask you could take it down, but yeah, but no, I think elephants are the most powerful land animal ever. I don't think you could you could stop one, and they're also very, very smart.

SPEAKER_05 8:01

Okay. For me, this this show has gone off the rails in the first 30 seconds, and I love it. Are we talking about boxing tonight? We will be we will be talking about boxing here in a minute, Rusty. Yeah, don't worry, we're gonna get into that in a minute. For me, I'm a I'm a morning shower. I feel like when you wake up, you smell like sleep. I don't know if if that makes sense to anybody, but that's my reasoning for showering in the morning. It's because I just feel like when you wake up, you you stink and you smell like sleep. As for elephants, I mean, I'm a fan. They're smart, they're I mean, they're huge, but I mean, I wouldn't want to cross one face to face, but I feel like enough has been said about elephants here in the in the last 30 seconds to a minute here. So we're gonna jump into this here and we're gonna talk all things boxing here. D Frank, we're gonna start with you, and who is your favorite boxer or boxers of all time?

SPEAKER_07 8:59

Yeah, so I I grew up in an era where Mike Tyson was the man, and you know, and just such a fascinating story as his true heyday was only a very short amount of time, but his legacy, I mean, nobody wanted to step into the ring with Iron Mike. And even to this day, it doesn't matter. He can get his face tattooed, he can go through the legal system and beat up a dude in the airplane last year, and it still doesn't matter. That's one guy, no matter how high his voice is, you don't want to mess with them. Uh, Iron Mike Tyson.

SPEAKER_05 9:31

I got you. Mr.

SPEAKER_03 9:32

Let's go to you next. Man, yeah, I gotta go with Frank, you know. Same error,

Icebreakers And Panel Introductions

SPEAKER_03 9:36

you know, Mike Tyson, you know what I'm saying? That was the guy. You know, but you know, the other person who I like and follow was Pernel Whitaker. He was another one that I've that I watched a lot with my dad. And uh, and then one more is the Cincinnati Cobra as a Charles, you know, from Nascinati. He was real good. I saw him a little bit when I was young. Um, like I said, a lot of times I used to watch fights with my dad, so that's how I got into it. But those three right there.

SPEAKER_05 10:02

Okay. Fanny, what about you?

SPEAKER_01 10:04

Uh my favorite all time, the Italian Rocky Marciano, the only undefeated heavyweight champion of all time, who probably wouldn't even be a heavyweight now because he's holding 185 pounds. Um, him, and then I was a big fan of Kelly the Ghost Pavlik, who is a former guest of the show here back in season one. So was a big fan of the ghost, and then big fan of Ray Boom Boom Mancini as well from Youngstown. Got a chance to meet Ray last year in Toledo. I talked to him on the phone about 10 years ago, which was pretty cool. I wrote him a letter. So three of my favorite guys ever.

SPEAKER_05 10:35

I got you. Rusty, let's go to you next.

SPEAKER_00 10:37

My favorite boxer of all time, my dad. 1956 Golden Gloves champ here in Lake County. Let's go with the number two, the big time guys. Growing up with my dad watching boxing, Marvelous Marvin Hagler. You know, the guy was a beast. Him, Hagler Hearns. That was a big thing for me growing up. That was always a big rivalry fight. But when you you're such a badass and you can legally change your name to Marvelous, that says a lot too. But uh Marvin Hagler was a beast.

SPEAKER_05 11:08

I got you, Matt. Let's go to you next.

SPEAKER_06 11:11

Yeah, you know, I was gonna include Hagler. I really couldn't decide between all of those middleweights, you know, when I was growing up. That was just a brutal division. I mean, you got Hearns, Hagler, Leonard, Duran. I mean, and the best part about that was they were all accessible, you know. I don't know about you guys growing up, but my parents weren't really paying for much anything over the cable bill. If they had cable, you know, back then. But you know, you had ABC Wild World of Sports, you had USA Tuesday Night Fights, and they were always, you know, the the sport of boxing was always out there. So those middle weights are really what I kind of grew up on and really got into it. I gotcha.

SPEAKER_05 11:51

Biddy, I I hate to say that you took mine and uh Kelly the Ghost Pavlik. How do you not say, you know, former guest of the show in season one uh is my favorite boxer of all time? I did watch a lot of his fights. Tyson's always up there. I mean, I feel like any anybody, everybody's got a Tyson story from watching one of his fights just in his heyday and everything like that. But Kelly Pavlik for me, the ghost, is definitely up there on my list. And one of the best rated shows on the show on uh Ride Home Ranch. So how do you how do you fault him for that? You know what I mean? So we got gotta go with my man Kelly. Matt, let's go to you on this one. And who do you think is the greatest heavyweight boxer of all time?

SPEAKER_06 12:35

Well, you know, boy, that's that's a tough one, you know. Wow. I mean, you had to lead off with me on that one. I'm gonna go with I'm gonna go with Rocky Marciano because he was undefeated and he's a Pizon. There, that's what I got. My guy. Yeah, absolutely.

SPEAKER_05 12:51

That that is the correct answer for the rest of you. Just so you're if you're aware of that one there. That is the correct answer. That's why I went to Matt first. But Rusty, what about you?

SPEAKER_00 13:01

I'm gonna modernize it. I'll go with Iron Mike. I mean, the way he you know took that in the late 80s and unified the belts in such a short amount of time, the way he did it. Yeah, the the talent probably wasn't the what it was back in the 70s and 80s, the early 80s when he won it, but the way he did it, and with the discipline he did it and the ferocity he did it, uh say Mike Tyson.

SPEAKER_05 13:27

Okay, Fiddy, what about you?

SPEAKER_01 13:30

You know, I I would I mean, Rocky Marciano is my favorite boxer of all time, and I would say he's arguably top three. I think you could probably say him, Ollie Tyson, in there. You could probably throw in George Foreman,

Favorite Boxers And Early Influences

SPEAKER_01 13:40

Joe Lewis, Smoke and Joe Frazier, guys like that. Even you could also throw in Tyson Fury in that as well. But for me, I think it's Rocky Marciano, just because he is the only undefeated heavyweight champion of all time. He did beat Ezra Charles. He did beat Smoke and Joe, or not Smoke and Joe, he beat Joe Lewis, even though it was past his prime at that time. But they gotta go Rocky Marciano. I think you still look it up, he's still one of the hardest punchers of all time in the heavyweight division, even harder than Mike Tyson.

SPEAKER_05 14:08

I got you, Mister. What about you?

SPEAKER_03 14:10

I tell you what, man, you know, there's a game since it's called Nintendo, and I think a lot of us know about Nintendo. And in that Nintendo, there was a game called Mike Tyson Punch Out. Now, and I I think it you know it's kind of hard to, you know, somebody that has a game named after them on a video game. You know, I mean, you're pretty good. You're all right, you're not bad. But no, but Mike Tyson, uh, I would have loved to see Rocket and Rocky Marciano fight. I never really got to, you know, I never really got to uh watch him fight, but I would love to go back and watch some of his old take. But again, you know, but you know, being undefeated, and you know, I mean, you can't really say too much about that. You know, that's a heck of a feat to do that in any professional sport, number one. But I have to go on Mike Tyson for heavyweight, but it's a lot of them. I mean, there's a lot, you know, the thing that Mike Tyson did at a young age, and you know what, and and you know, if you go back and look at it, look at how old Mike Tyson was when he won it, when he won it. I would like to you know probably go through history and see who's been like the youngest, you know, saying winning those championships, you know, whatever division it was. But I think you know, when he came out, he was just devastated, you know, and he had one, probably one of the best trainers to train him.

SPEAKER_07 15:25

So yeah, absolutely. D Frank, let's go to you. Uh yeah, it's funny that you mentioned Mike Tyson's trainer. I was just talking to uh one of his trainer son-in-laws here this afternoon, Jerry Molinax trained for Don King up here in Northeast Ohio, and it's crazy. It just happened like 20 minutes from my house. And it uh for a favorite heavyweight boxer of all time, I think you've got to go Ali for his prowess in the ring, but also for the fact that he was a cultural icon. The fact that you know Ali changed the game, man. It was uh he made boxing cool. And maybe you know what, there might be better technical fighters, there might be better uh uh, you know, people at certain particular things. But when you talk about somebody who is an iconic person, iconic American, borderline on the the Mount Rushmore of sports in North America. I think you gotta you gotta say Ali.

SPEAKER_05 16:22

Yeah, that that's a tough one for me. I mean, Rocky Marciano is up there for me. The the comedian to me is so upset that Fiddy didn't say Rocky Balboa just because of his love of Rocky for that one. There, we had a whole Rocky show and a whole show dedicated to that. But Marciano, only undefeated heavyweight champion for sure, is is my pick for that one. And I know you got something to say to that, Prince. So go ahead, get it, get it in there.

SPEAKER_01 16:48

You know, I mean, I was gonna say, I mean, you know, like Rocky Balboa, I mean, it he did go with Rocky Marciano, was his favorite fighter, and he had like tough length from Mickey from Rocky Marciano. Matt was on that show about Rocky Balboa when we when we did that, but you know, I I should have just said Chuck Webner because he inspired Rocky Balboa and he he did knock down all Leah to fight at the Richfield Coliseum here in Cleveland. So I don't know the Bayon bleed, the Bayone bleeder Chuck Webner. We'll go with him too.

Debating The Greatest Heavyweight

unknown 17:17

Gotcha.

SPEAKER_04 17:19

On that one.

SPEAKER_05 17:20

Drag let's go back to you on this. Well, what is your favorite weight division in boxing?

SPEAKER_07 17:28

Well, and this is part of the reason my love for boxing is sort of withered. You know, it it's obviously it's the heavyweights, but Dana White killed the the heavyweight boxing division by all the the traditional boxers that were were in heavyweight division are all fighting MMA now. And you know, if you you you look at how it's deteriorated over time, your title holders now and all the big weight classes and divisions are all Russians and Ukrainians and guys that you've never heard of. And and it's a shame because heavyweight boxing used to be an event, and I I'm with Matt. We couldn't afford to afford to get pay-per-views. So, of course, we had the cheater box that you could uh uh watch those fights on for sure.

SPEAKER_03 18:09

Gotcha, Mr. Let's go to you next. Oh, yeah, I'm gonna have to go with with with my boy Frank, man. The heavyweights most definitely, I mean, it's always been my favorite. The heavyweight then probably it would probably no, the battle weight would probably one of my other ones, though. But heavyweights has always been my no been my one that I like, I like to watch a lot. I got you. Fiddy, what about you?

SPEAKER_01 18:32

I do I do really like the heavyweights now. No, granted, like what D Dave said, like there's not many Americans, right? You have like the Brown Bomber, Deontay Wilder, but the rest of those guys, Anthony Joshua, you know, you have Tyson Fury, you have Derek Chesora, you have all those other guys. Like they're all international dudes from like England and Russia and all that. So, but I I do like that, but I think too many weight classes is kind of also dampened down it because like like Rocky Marciano would probably be a super middleweight now as he fought at like 185 and wouldn't even be cruiserweight. So I think that also kind of took some luster away from it. But my favorite of all time was probably the middleweights because, like, yeah, you have Marvelous Marvin Hagler, you had Tommy to hit Man Hearns, you had Kelly Pavlick fighting in that realm as well. You have Roberto Duran, the man with the hands of stone. So, you know, to me, I think the middleweight boxing was my favorite in the old school, but I do enjoy the heavyweights now.

SPEAKER_05 19:30

Gotcha. Rusty, what about you?

SPEAKER_00 19:32

Same with uh echoing what Fitty said. Now the heavyweights, they're getting a lot of, they're trying to bring it back. Boxing's trying to, you know, they're climbing that ladder back up there, they're in that head-on battle with MMA. But from when I watched it, as I said, as a kid growing up, you had the welterweights who were were spicy, but you had the middleweights. They were big dudes that could move, they were fast, the fights they were brawls, and you know, it wasn't just one punch was gonna knock a guy out, it was gonna be a battle, it was gonna be a war. The heavyweights, you could get some big bruiser in there and one good shot and down you go. But these guys they brought excitement, they moved, they had flair, but they were big dudes that could, you know, they could really put on a good show and put on a good fight. I shouldn't call it a show, that's when boxing was real, and that was real. And those guys just watched, they were monsters, man. They were chiseled, I mean, they were brick shit houses.

SPEAKER_05 20:28

Yeah, I mean, yeah, you you're not wrong with that one. But Matt, let's get your thoughts here first.

SPEAKER_06 20:34

Yeah, I definitely gotta go with the middle weights. I said that on my intro, just you know, that was my favorite era of boxing, and you know, it seemed like you know, the heavyweights were always for the pay-per-views, and you know, everybody knew the top-of-the-avyweights, and you know, the middle weights, like I said, you know, you guys already talked about Hearns, Hagler, Duran, you know, all that stuff. But you know, the channel USA really carried it over. And one of the guys who I didn't mention, but one of my favorites was uh Vinny Pazienza there for most of the late 80s, early 90s. You know, it was always it was always seemed like on Tuesday night fights it was either him fighting or somebody that was going to win the bout and fight him next and stuff like that. So I I really like the middleweights also because I'm not a real big guy, but growing up, I'm like, you know what? If I worked hard and maybe my genetics played a trick on me, I might be able to be a middleweight, but there was no way I was ever gonna, you know, look at those guys as heavyweights and say, like, yeah, I can't I can't do that.

SPEAKER_05 21:37

Yeah, the pass. That was a good call. Yeah, that's the pass. Absolutely a good call out there for that one. Middleweight for me is definitely it it's it for me. But like everyone said, you know, that they're fast fighters, it's not gonna be that one punch is gonna end the fight, it's gonna be a war. You're gonna get a good show for 10, 12, 15 rounds at some point in time when you know, when they were able to go 15 rounds, you know, you you would you would you would get your money's worth out of that, even though they were really

Best Weight Classes And Boxing’s Decline

SPEAKER_05 22:11

weren't on pay-per-views. But yeah, the middleweights for me, just from the sheer speed and power that these guys had, and still do, you know, and the middleweights don't get the love that they do, like the heavyweights do. And I think that that needs to be a shift in in boxing and give the middleweights their give the middleweights their love there too, as well. Matt, let's go stay with you on this one. And are boxing workouts uh the hardest workouts in your opinion for any athlete?

SPEAKER_06 22:40

Yes, I think they are. It's you know, they've added that, you know, the boxing workout was the original, hey, we're gonna get you in shape, kind of housewife kind of you know, suburban kind of workout. And then they they morphed into the crossfitting and the you know the crossover workouts and all that. But boxing was original, and you know what, you still go back to it. You know, I dabbled a little bit working out boxing-wise, and boy, if if you don't decide after uh trying to get yourself in shape to fight that you're not really a fighter, you don't even get to go in the ring usually. That's your rusty.

SPEAKER_04 23:18

What about you?

SPEAKER_00 23:19

Go hit a heavy heavy bag for a half hour, you go see the workout, man. And we had a place here where we would go and do go to do a boxing workout, a bunch of us coaches, and they would have the one workout was great. They strapped you to this big bungee and you were tied up with your bag, and you had to go and you had to go and you had to go. And man, I tell you what, your ass is whooped after that. And it doesn't matter. I don't care if you can bench press 300 pounds, I don't care if you can run a you know, sub 10 second 100. That's a badass workout. It's preparing you not just endurance, but the combat side of it. Your body takes a beating and your body's gotta be able to give the beating out. So it it's taking, it's basically a it's a survival workout, is what it is. I mean, it really you gotta be peak for that.

SPEAKER_05 24:06

Absolutely. I'll get I'll give my thoughts here at the end. But finney, what about you?

SPEAKER_01 24:10

Yeah, but like like Oswald saying, right? Like, and I've dabbled a little bit in boxing workouts, they're the hardest thing, right? Like, and I'm saying it as I played college football, and a lot of guys here played college sports. It's way different. It's not about bench pressing, it's not about running sprints. Sure, they incorporate it, but it goes back to like what Matt was saying the original stuff. It's running 10 miles at 4 a.m. It is doing a lot of like stretching, it is hitting the heavy bag. If you want to find out how in shape you are, go shadow box in front of a mirror for five minutes. Just do it for five minutes, throwing plumbos. You'll be exhausted. You know, it's about jumping rope, or as they say, skipping. It's about doing footwork with ladders and line drills and things like that. It's about hitting the speed bag and the rhythm of that. You know, it's about doing the rope work in the ring where you had to make yourself skinny, how to turn your head, things like that. It's a ton of stretching and flexibility. Boxers are actually very flexible, like that incorporated into workouts itself will make you vomit 99% of the time. And that's not even sprinting, that's not even your neck workout, that's not even your weights or any, your abs, not even your abs are kind of in that. Just I would say to anybody, you want to find out how how in shape you are, go shadow box in front of a mirror for five minutes. You don't think it's long, go and shadow boxing about 45 seconds is exhausting. So go do it for about five minutes, and that's a warm-up for those guys. So yeah, I think it's the hardest, the hardest workout out there.

SPEAKER_05 25:35

I got you, Mister. What about you?

SPEAKER_03 25:38

Oh, yeah, it is 100% the hardest thing. And I've seen it with my own eyes with my father. I don't know if I've ever told you guys, but my dad, he used to box um golden gloves in Cincinnati and Licker Heights at the gym at the YMCA. And I can remember being five, six, seven years old, even four years as young as four years old, the workout that he would do. I mean, heck, that's I mean, that's where I started working out and understood, I mean, on this how to work, you know, you had to put your body to a new level. And the things that he was doing, gonna, you know, he'd leave the house early in the morning. You know, you'd be like, where's your dad going? Mom, but he's getting that work in. But I saw it. My dad, and and he ran miles and mile and miles, and he kept his his figure down for a long, long time. But it it is, like I said, I saw it with my dad. I mean, the workout he used to do. And when I incorporated some of those workouts, especially like the the the long distance running, the stamina, he used to run with a heavy belt around his waist. You know, they didn't have the vest back then. So he had like this big weight, heavy weight belt that he put around his waist, and he would run. Around the neighborhood, man.

SPEAKER_01 26:49

I mean, just for hours you know, back in the day, like back in the day, going off Mr. Stone, like dudes like Rocky Marciano's time, guys would work run in work boots. Yes, they would run in work boots for like seven, eight, ten miles to just build their endurance, and their feet would be so much lighter in the ring. But guys would wear heavy, like combat, like cement boots back in the day and run.

SPEAKER_03 27:13

No, that's that's 50. That's 100% correct. You're right, man. And that's why they did it, because they make you know, you you have light footwork when you get in the ring, when you start boxing, you know,

Are Boxing Workouts The Hardest?

SPEAKER_03 27:22

you'd be able to, you know, you know, you're you know, you're working on your flexibility, you're building your your toes, your ankles, you know what I'm saying? All that's up. You're right. That's why they did that.

SPEAKER_05 27:31

Yeah, that's all yeah, it it it's brutal. But D Frank, what about you?

SPEAKER_07 27:38

Well, uh, listening to most of this panel, you would think that the biggest workout for most of your favorite boxers is crushing Nona's gravy on a Sunday because all the pasta benders and macaroni makers you guys have been throwing out there today. I I would definitely much respect for boxing uh workouts for sure. And I think there's a little bit more explosion that goes along with that with the endurance, but the workout that I would put up there is the real legit NCAA collegiate wrestling workouts. Very fortunate to know five-time NCAA champion Carter Staraki from Penn State. And I've seen the workouts that they do in that room and what Kale puts them through at Penn State, and I not just your normal high school wrestling, but I'm talking about wrestling collegiately at the highest level. I would put that work up work out one A and one B with boxing. I feel like much respect to that, but but I feel like the boxing workout and the wrestling workout are 1A and 1B.

SPEAKER_05 28:34

Yeah, I think that's where you get into a lot of like people saying like this mixed martial arts is the top-tier workout because you're mixing both of those 1A, 1B, boxing, and you're working in the groundwork. But as somebody that used to do boxing workouts with a guy that both Fitti and I'm sure Mr. Know from back in the the Bethany College day, Eric Walker, stud running back for for Bethany College when I was there. I mean, we would do we would hit the heavy bag for for like five minutes. Like, there'd be times when it's like he's like, You got another round? I was like, dude, I can't lift my arms. Like, what are you talking about? I got another round in me. I mean, I'm gonna do it because it's you and we're here, but like we're talking 10-15 minutes, and like, you know, you're shot, and you don't think that hitting a heavy bag where something that's not hitting hitting you back is gonna is gonna take that toll. You feel like you got hit back after those 15 minutes on the heavy bag. Like to to Penny, to your point, you know, shadow boxing, you know, even just throwing punches in that to yourself is a workout in and of itself. And there's times where it's like, man, you don't even need the bag to to get that workout, and it just add that extra that extra layer to it. So, yeah, I would have to say up there now, you know, boxing, mixing in a little bit of the groundwork with the mixed martial arts, too, as well.

SPEAKER_03 29:55

And that's and I'll tell you something else, my bad. Um that's how I knew I was not in shape and ready for football. Was when my dad had put me, you know, I'm saying had suggested, and I'm gonna say like that, some boxing type of workout. Now, this you know, I'm I'm going to high school, whatever. Think I'm I'm big and bad and ready, you know what I'm saying. Even you know, going to my junior senior year, that's how I knew I wasn't in shape when I started doing when I started incorporating some of those workouts. I I mean, I was unstoppable. I could I wasn't tired, but it is like you guys are saying, it it is it is another type of workout, man. You gotta be something different. You know, the boxing arrest is something different.

SPEAKER_05 30:36

You gotta go to a different level though doing a boxing, doing a boxing workout. Like, I mean, you you just your head and your mind and your body, you just gotta flip that switch. You gotta you gotta tap into a beast that you didn't even know was living inside of you to finish all those workouts. So, yeah, that's that's for sure for me, you know, up there and and one of the toughest workouts that I've that I've done. D Frank now with Las Vegas, you know, it is traditionally been the the big place to have fights along with like Madison Square Garden and Atlantic City. As a fan, do you care where the fights are being staged? And do you think it matters to the boxers as well?

SPEAKER_07 31:14

Well, I think those are two different things, right? For me personally, I don't have to kind of bankroll to go actually watch one of those fights in person because they are stupid expensive to go to. But I think for the boxers, there's a certain mystique to to, like you said, fight at MSG or or you know, fighting at one of the big venues in Vegas. I feel like it's sort of the build-up, and you know, as they pan to the crowd and it's a who's who of everybody there. Uh, that's something that I think MMA has has endeavored to sort of copy from boxing to make it just, I mean, it's an event that everybody needs to see for sure. So I think personally, I'll watch it wherever, but for the boxers themselves, I think it kind of adds to the mystique.

SPEAKER_05 31:56

Yeah, absolutely.

SPEAKER_03 31:58

Mr. What about you? I'll tell you what, D. Frank, he said it perfectly, man. I would say that if you know, for a boxer, you know, you want to be able to compete and and uh at that, I mean, at the best venue is possible. And I think, you know, the whole mystique of it, you know, uh uh being in Las Vegas, you know, I think it's just it's just another level for them guys. You know, that's like you know, you know, if we like to say, you know, we go into the Super Bowl or or going to the championship. I mean, that's that's the the mecca of everything, you know, to be able to fight, you know, in that city in that particular ring. But you know, I think that there's other places that you know that it can serve the same thing. But I think for a lot of boxers, they know Vegas, you know what I'm saying? That's where that's where it's at. That's where they wanted to get to. I got you. Pitty, what about you?

SPEAKER_01 32:46

No, as a fan, I I would love to see like as a fan, I would love to see them go box at maybe some smaller venues, make it a little bit more intimate, right? Like, there's no reason they couldn't fight at Quick and Loans. Pavlic used to fight at the at the Cavelli Center in Youngstown. I think he fought at Youngstown State a couple times, right? Like Mohammed Ali fought at the Richfield Coliseum. So like I think as a fan, I would love to see them go back to little smaller venues. But for the boxers, I think, yeah, like I think MSG is the mecca of boxing because you're in the world's famous arena. So I think they want to fight there, not in the arena at Madison Square Gardens, but the actual Madison Square Gardens basketball arena, because there's the the theater, which they call the arena as well, inside of that. And then there's the main area. So I would think they love to fight there. Vegas, yeah. I think there's a nostalgia for certain boxers about Atlantic City. Like, I don't think people don't know when, and not as the president, but when Donald Trump owned his casinos in Atlantic City, a lot of guys fought there because they were just a huge draw because of the gambling. Because it was only, I think, yeah, maybe the guys can correct me here. Maybe the only other place in the United States outside of Vegas people could go gamble at at that time. So a lot of people would go have big fights there, and he owned that at that time. So that was a huge draw, but that's fallen off about the past 20 years. So I think really they'll go to Vegas, but I also think they'll go where the money is because if they're gonna fight in front of 100,000 people at Wembley Stadium in an all-British boxing match with Anthony Joshua and Tyson Fury, I mean, people are gonna go, right? The the Middle East has become a big player in it now. They have a they have a big money guy in the Middle East dishing out a ton of money for them to fight in like North Africa and and other parts there. So I think they'll go kind of where the money is. But as a fan, I would love to see it be at smaller arenas.

SPEAKER_05 34:38

I got you. Rusty, what about you?

SPEAKER_00 34:41

I again echoing what the guy said as a fan, we have the access to watch it and not so much watch it anywhere we're at, not so much the bankroll to go see it in person. Who knows how you show up for a if you're gonna sit through all of that? Hey man, God love you until you get to the main card. But I think for the boxers, it's just like any other athlete. If you're playing in, you know, in a special arena that has history, that has that mystique was mentioned before, that adds to your vibe and that adds to your mindset. And you know, depending on the kind of person you are, if you can fuel yourself off of that, hey man, you're gonna go out and have a hell of a night. Maybe it works the other way, maybe it puts too much pressure on a fighter, too. So my god, I gotta live up to this. But I think being in a place like Madison Square Garden or Vegas, not so much Atlantic City, I think Atlantic City died 30 years ago. But the fact that you know, you watch what UFC's doing, they bounce around at different venues and they're smaller arenas, but

Fight Locations, Time Zones, And Hype

SPEAKER_00 35:46

they're still drawing and they're still promoting their their sport. So, but I mean boxing still has its two polar ends in New York and Vegas, but to have it in some other places, you know, it might be it might be unique and might be cool for a certain card on that list to you know to to be in a certain place geographically. But I think back to the original question if it's a place with big history, yeah, you want to be a part of that history.

SPEAKER_06 36:14

Yeah, absolutely, Matt. What about you? Yeah, I I think everybody touched on the history and the places. I'm gonna steer just a little bit, not necessarily the places, but I think for boxers, it's the time. You know, read a quote from a um boxer, I can't remember who, but his goal was to always fight at 10 p.m. or later. And you know, because that means they're they're the main draw, their poster, their name's the biggest on the poster. So, you know, I mean, you guys all touched on, of course, Vegas, Madison Square Garden, but I think for boxers, their time that they fight, you know, nobody wants to be the 7:30 dark match, you know, they they want to have their name up there, you know, main event. And so I just kind of twisted it around on that, but I agree with everything everybody else said.

SPEAKER_05 37:00

No, you you're spot on there. That's kind of where I was gonna go with it, with the you know, Vegas and Madison Square Garden and Atlantic City. I mean, you're talking East Coast, West Coast. I think for the fighters themselves, I think it matters where that fight is happening. If you've got an East Coast fighter that now's gonna flip to West Coast time, try to go there. I think that messes with them mentally, and I don't think they're in it for a little while because their timing is all messed up with where they're fighting and when they're fighting. You brought it up, everybody wants to be those later fights because your name's on the marquee, your pictures on the poster, and everyone's watching to fight you. And as D Frank is so eloquently putting, yeah, it's all about the Benjamins up there, too. As well, you're making more for that fight, too, as well. I think yeah, uh for me, it's more of a time zone thing being on the east coast, you know, those fights that are starting earlier our time or their time, but later our time because of where they're fighting, if they're in Vegas, you know, it's it it it it takes a little bit off of it. Hell the UFC did it uh this past weekend, fight night, and it said the prelims start at 7 a.m. Who the hell's getting up on Saturday at 7 a.m. if you don't gotta get up to watch those fights? Like for those fighters, I think that takes a little bit away from the fan experience. I mean, if it's over in a place like Abu Dhabi and stuff like that, where you know it's a little bit later of the time zone, just record it and tell us and put it on at an at a normal time and in prime time so everybody can see it. We don't need to know it's not live. Who cares? We're we're still getting to see the fights, but yeah, like I it's more of a time zone thing for me.

SPEAKER_01 38:41

Um, and I'll tell you this about seven no, about nine years ago, I think it was 2017. Jeff Horn from Australia fought Manny Pacquiao in Australia at four in the afternoon outside in Australia to be like an eight o'clock fight here the day before in the United States because they're like whatever, 20 hours ahead or whatever. So they're fighting a four in the afternoon outside in Australia for us to watch it at eight eight p.m. the day before.

SPEAKER_05 39:11

Yeah, like that that that's stupid to be fight it whenever you want to fight it, record it if you have to, and put it on here whenever you can. Like, I don't care. I know the way of the internet, people are gonna say, Oh, well, someone's gonna spoil it. I don't give a shit. I'm gonna I'm gonna watch it regardless because I I love combat sports and I love the the violence of it and you know just the the chess match that you see. I mean, they might say, Oh, well, Manny Pacquiao wins, or Tyson wins. Who cares? I want to see how he won. You know, I'm still gonna watch it. So, yeah, for me, it it's a it's a time zone thing that brings up a point to me, too, as well. And you know, boxing champions in America are becoming fewer and fewer as England, Mexico, and parts of Latin America are dominating the sport. Matt, why do you think that is?

SPEAKER_06 40:03

I I think it's just a shift in tastes or shift in styles. You know, it's it goes through cycles. I mean, it really does. I mean, if you go, I mean, boxing is an old sport, you know, and you know, it's a gentleman's sport, you know, the sweet science. And, you know, it used to be only for a certain type of people would only, you know, get into the sport, and now it's global. And I think there's just a lot of things to do outside of boxing now, and people have a lot of choices. So in your more developed countries, and they just decide that they want to shoot a basketball or you know, get into MMA, like I'm sure you guys are all gonna talk about. So I don't know. I think it's just a change in shift, change in styles. And honestly, I I think there's less people that you know really don't mind getting hit anymore, to be honest with you.

SPEAKER_04 41:01

Gotcha. Rusty, what about you?

SPEAKER_00 41:03

Yeah, Matt hit on it. There's different choices, people they have different ways they can go athletically. Boxing was a is a very disciplined sport. So, you know, some guys it takes a lot. You look at the the crossover fights we've had with Connor McGregor and Mayweather. Mayweather's a boxer, Connor's an MMA guy. So you know, he's chomping at the bit, he's out of his element, he wants to use his feet, he wants to he wants to shoot. A boxer, you gotta be disciplined, you gotta work your feet a different way, you gotta move around the ring, you gotta be quick, and it's all about the hands, and there's rules to it, and it you know, it is a more disciplined, more precision sport than MMA is, and I think guys just want to go in for the brawl, and MMA has made the paychecks a little bit better, and it's just something easier to get into for them.

SPEAKER_05 41:53

Yeah, I'll I'll touch on that one too because the McGregor-Mayweather fight and everything with that crossover. I was so hyped for that fight, but you could tell that McGregor was out of his element because every time that Mayweather would turn hit to to block and he would bring the his back to him. You could tell that McGregor wanted to jump on his back and put and put him in a choke or start beating him in the side, and you know, stuff that he can't do in boxing, but is legal in MMA, and like that's where I think you got he got him out of his element, and I think you could tell that it's such it's a much more disciplined sport than the world of mixed martial arts, and you hit the note, you hit that head right on it, that one there for that be being out of their element. But Fiddy, what about you with the with this question?

SPEAKER_01 42:46

Well, I think it goes back to a couple things. So it's an old sport, right? So back in the day, 1910s, 20, 30s, even a little bit of the 40s, before the NFL got very, very popular, the number two, one and two sports in America were baseball, you American pastime, and boxing, right? Because you had a lot of a great American fighters. As the NFL developed, the NFL then pushed everything down. Okay. And then you had a you had a dip in boxing because you had this spot when like Ali on his downslope, you didn't have someone to replace that personality. Yeah, you had like George Foreman, but you had a lot of great fighters phasing out in the 70s and the 80s, it went to the middleweights, and it still just wasn't the big draw. Second part is a lot of boxers boxed their way out of the inner city and poverty because it's the only thing that they could do to survive at a time. And as a lot of ways, like other guys after World War I and World War II, they had no work opportunities, all they knew was fighting. So as the world shifted and guys aren't fighting to survive anymore in America, as we got more modernized, then you've seen the rise of guys fighting for their life to get out of Latin America, the Philippines, Russia, Ukraine, you know, Great Britain, because they just didn't have the opportunities. So then you combine that with a dip in American interest in like uh boxing, because baseball is now there and the NFL is dominant and the NBA and other things, then you just naturally seen a drop in it. People just get disinterested. It's not that people still don't box trying to uplift themselves out of poverty in the inner city, but there's a lot more global boxers now with more recognition who are just literally fighting to survive

Why America Produces Fewer Champions

SPEAKER_01 44:36

and and and have a paycheck. I mean, look at Manny Pacquiao's background, he came from nothing, right? And was a you know eight eight-time different weight class champion because he fought to survive. So, you know, I think that's literally what it was combination of the NFL, and then the the 70 plus years of not being in wars and poverty changing across the United States.

SPEAKER_05 44:59

Gotcha, Bister. What about you?

SPEAKER_03 45:02

Well, I mean, man, everybody kind of hit and said uh a lot of the same thing that I was thinking about. One thing, you know, like everybody said, boxing is most definitely has become, well, it's been a it's a global sport. And I think when you look at it, when you look at outside of America, you know, you go back to the the 30s, 40s, 50s, 60s, 70s, all the way up. You look at the chef with you know, 50 hitter, you know, with the NFL becoming popular during that time, you know, you look at you know, just the society in America, you know, take the last 20, the last 20 or 30 years, man, these kids are doing TikTok videos and stuff like that. You know, these kids is this is these kids are on internet, you know, they trying to figure out, you know, saying, let's have a salt, you know, who can eat the most salt challenge. That's what they that's what these kids are on now. You know, let's do the cinnamon challenge. So they so instead of you know doing something physically, you know, they want to do something with God known with a grain of salt and some some some cinnamon, you know, and have that type of challenge, you know, dumb dumb challenge is what I call it. That's what it is. And you got, you know, people that's outside of America, you know, these people, you know, you got people that's trying to survive, man. That's trying to, you know, saying that's trying to put money, money in their pocket, trying to feed their family. And boxing, you know, I'm saying is one is it's it's an it's an avenue for them.

SPEAKER_00 46:29

Would you say it's softer here?

SPEAKER_03 46:31

100%.

SPEAKER_00 46:32

Yep.

SPEAKER_03 46:32

It's it is one, yes, sir, Matt.

SPEAKER_00 46:35

The whole the that's the the generational getting softer, yep.

SPEAKER_03 46:40

Abs absolutely. Absolutely. It's it's it's night and day. I mean, it's it's it's literally, literally night and day. You like you, you know, like we all talk about, you know, you can't I know this is this is boxing, but even look at basketball, look at how many international players is playing basketball over here now. Come on, when when we had that in our lifetime, you know, all of us growing up. Well, no international players playing basketball like that. You know, you might have one, one, you know what I'm saying. Now you got a whole team. You know, and this is go, you know, it's just it's just go back, you know, the same thing with boxing. You know, a lot of a lot of guys are not, they're not it, they're not doing it. They find other things to to do with their time. You know, and and if you look outside, you look at Latin America, you know, you look at uh Russia, Germany, uh, Ukraine, you go down to Mexico, you know, these guys are trying to survive, man.

SPEAKER_05 47:33

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 47:33

We got and we got our and we got our our great American young people trying to survive on TikTok videos, salt and cinnamon.

SPEAKER_05 47:43

Yep.

SPEAKER_03 47:43

I'll leave it right there.

SPEAKER_05 47:45

You're not wrong. T Frank round us out on this one.

SPEAKER_07 47:49

Yeah, so yeah, I I don't know that anybody in America has their dad eating their dog like Manny Pacquiao's dad made him in order to make him tough. Now, I I sincerely uh do not uh endorse this. I don't want the ASPCA to come in and cancel Mike Bono's show at all. I don't I don't endorse that, but yeah, Manny Pacquiao you know rose from nothing eating his dog to becoming you know you know uh mayor a manila or whatever he was. Yeah, yeah. Um the big piece to that, and and to really kind of jump on what my man Mr. Mr. was saying is the internet, right? So we're short attention span theater. Everybody's looking for something that's going to hit you right now, and everybody's looking for an influencer, and it's almost like a the like a WWE kind of feel to it. And we're totally lacking those sorts of personalities and boxing. There's a whole bunch of great boxers that weren't great mic men over the Years and that's really kind of hurt. That's really kind of hurt boxing, right? So what uh money Mayweather's probably the last one that that kind of combined all that together, you know, find your your average everyday American now and say, hey, name an American boxer. And they just don't have that sort of personality and panache because, well, in the death of ESPN as your kind of go-to source for for sports, right? Uh boxing used to be appointment television. It was, hey, who's coming over tonight for the fight? And that was such a big and important part of it. And you know, it's just it's not appointment television anymore because of the instant gratification of the internet and because of the short attention span theater from Generation Z and Generation Alpha. It's just that's where we're going.

SPEAKER_05 49:34

Yeah, I mean, there's not much to add on that one. And that, you know, it's just, you know, people are fighting for something to get out of the these the poverty, like everyone was saying. We're just we're not doing it here in America. I it's a little too I don't say cushy here in America, but it it's too cushy here in America. You're you're not fighting for something, you're not fighting to get out of the situation that you're in, and that's all these people had to do. And I think it it's starting to show. I can't remember if it was D Frank or Mr. But you brought it up with the NBA, you know, how many international players? I mean, you got a whole rosters, and you couldn't name an American name on there that if they if they paid you to, you know what I mean? So, like, it's it's that, and yeah, that there's just not much to add about that. Uh, D Frank, you did bring up something that I want to I want to touch on here as we wind down here near the end of the show. And I feel like this might actually end the show with how long I think I could talk about this one here. But what are your thoughts on Jake Paul's boxing career, D Frank?

SPEAKER_07 50:42

I'll tell you what, the Pauls, Jake and Logan have managed to take what what is a brand that they had and expand on it. And whether you're talking about Jake boxing or Logan doing the the the the WWE, there is some substance to their style, right? They are great athletes. Do I think that they're he's a great boxer? Well, I mean, that's probably the name you're gonna get if you ask most Americans to name a boxer, but oh, yeah, that's what you're looking at. Good for them, right? They they figured out a way to capitalize on the the current generation's short attention span.

SPEAKER_05 51:23

Yeah, just Mr. Keep keep us going on that one. I could tell you're agreeing with my man D Frank, but keep us going on that one.

SPEAKER_03 51:30

Oh God, D Frank. Hey, that is absolutely 100% perfect. He was able to, you know, again, they are able. If you can capitalize on on uh my grasshopper can jump farther than yours, grasshopper, you know, I mean, do it. I mean, because that's what they're doing. Yeah, I mean, that's that's how they make money. I mean, and and that's their interest. So, whatever you can capitalize off of, I mean, I guess, hey man, hey, let them live, live life, have fun, enjoy. I'll be somewhere, Elon Musk on Mars. What about you?

SPEAKER_01 52:05

Well, you know, here's the thing. Like, and we previewed a couple years back, I know Rusty was on, I think Mr. was on it. I can't remember who else, but we previewed Jake Paul and Mike Tyson, right? So, like, you can you say he's a good boxer because he beat an old Mike Tyson? No, you look at the two box, the two legitimate boxers he's fought, Tommy Fury, who's one-eighth of his brother Tyson Fury, and he beats him on points. Tommy Fury goes on, and then you fight Anthony Joshua because you you you try to be hard about it, and he breaks your jaw in two places, and you look like an absolute, you know, putts in the ring because you're trying to clinch and do all these things, and all you did was infuriate him, make the crowd angry, and then he shatters your jaw across, you know, your face was crooked because of it. So to say he's a legitimate boxer, no, and I think Mike, when we had the run of like guys on that DJ had as fighters, Tony and DJ and all those guys, maybe it was Billy or whoever, I can't remember. But they said like Jake Paul's a good, like amateur fighter, but he's not professionally based. And I think when you watch a Tommy Fury fight against him, you watch an Anthony Joshua fight, like he's not a heavyweight material. Maybe he could go down and be okay as a middleweight if he cut enough weight. I don't know. But I will throw this out there. I would love, love, if he's gonna make a comeback, I would love to watch Kelly Pavlik at the weight he is now, not as 160 pounds. I think Kelly's in his early 40s, but I would want to see Kelly Pavlik fight Jake Paul in the Battle of Ohio, and they can have it at Youngstown or in Cleveland. Let's have Jake Paul fight Kelly Pavlik at a cruiserweight weight.

SPEAKER_03 53:53

Kelly would totally destroy that guy. All right.

SPEAKER_01 53:57

100% he would. 100%, but we can have a great fight with that though.

SPEAKER_02 54:01

No, you can't later he's not even a freaking amateur. He's not even an amateur, Fiddle. No, I mean I'm saying the great fight to fight the interest behind it.

SPEAKER_01 54:12

The interest behind it now.

SPEAKER_05 54:14

No, okay. Like I said, this is pretty much gonna end the show. I have so many opinions about this man here. I want to get everybody in here. I'm gonna come back to that, Freddy, because that just amped me up so much. Rusty, what about you?

SPEAKER_00 54:28

Yeah, like you know what? That would be a good matchup, but it you'd have a fighter in Kelly versus an entertainer because uh he's not a fighter, he's in a show, he's an entertainer. He's he's a he's a diva that's worked his style, he's worked, found a way to make money. Hey, good on him. Same thing with his brother, but he's not a fighter. Drop him in there with any one of these guys in the 80s, he'd piss his pants before he got in a ring. So, I mean, featherweights, he'd be ducked. Yeah, yeah. I mean, he literally would.

SPEAKER_05 55:01

Spot on.

SPEAKER_01 55:02

Hey, isn't butter beans butter beans making a comeback? That's how the butter bean fight takes punk.

SPEAKER_00 55:07

Yes. Here's what my dad used to use. My dad used to bring this one up. He'd say the guy's too light to fight, too thin to win, and he don't have enough ass to last. And that would be Paul. So feel free to use that too.

SPEAKER_04 55:19

That's a good one.

Jake Paul’s Career: Boxer Or Showman?

SPEAKER_04 55:23

Let's get your thoughts on this one.

SPEAKER_06 55:27

I'll I'll be quick and let you guys go. I'll just say this point. My uh son's going into eighth grade, could not get him into boxing at all. Well, however, we did watch all of Paul's fights, the last three fights, because he was interested in it and it's got him into boxing a little bit. So, for that reason, I'm gonna say he's great for boxing. Not I don't I don't really think he's a very good boxer either, but for that reason, if it brings some more kids with interest to the sport, let's have it. But yeah, I'll cede that to you, Bono.

SPEAKER_05 56:02

Okay, yeah, now we're gonna get into the nitty-gritty of this and the real name of the of this show and the rat show because I I got so much to say about Jake Paul and his amateur ass boxing and wanting to fight all these old men and not boxers and wrestlers, and be like, Oh, I'm undefeated, and I can fight anybody. I'm six and oh, and I fought I I can't even remember their names. They're MMA guys that were known Woodley, who you know, okay, he was the only one that was a striker in MMA, and he's still I mean, okay, yeah, he knocked him out, okay. But he he's an MMA guy, he's wanting to grapple, he's wanting to wrestle when he gets beat up. He he he's fighting guys that you know they're they're old. Mike Tyson out of his prime. What's Mike Tyson? 104 years old in boxing years? Like, let's let's talk about it. Mike Tyson's not in his prime, he looks good, he can still throw a punch, but you can tell, like, I mean, and okay, I'm gonna get into it, and I know I'm gonna catch it for this. All of his fights are scripted. Let's let's just call it what it is. It's entertaining for the fans, and it's bringing younger generation into it. I get that. Let's get the younger generation into boxing, but you can tell the fights are scripted. There's so many videos out there about when he does his whole when he sticks his tongue out and shakes his head at everyone. That's the cue. You're about to take a dive. I'm gonna hit you and you're gonna fall on your face, and I'm gonna knock you out. And know who didn't do it? The two boxers he actually fought. And Joshua, who he did that too, and he's like, Okay, stick your tongue out. I'll break your jaw. Go ahead, taunt me. I don't care. I'm a boxer, you're not gonna pay me. I'm gonna make enough money actually boxing, then what you're gonna pay me. I don't care, take all the money. I just want to knock you out and show people that you're not an actual professional boxer. Amateur, he might do well in the amateur ranks if he would actually have worked his way up through the amateur ranks like all these guys have tried to do, and he's he's taking opportunities away from amateurs, I think, to get their shot at professional because he has the money. He's built his brand, like everybody has said on YouTube, and he's brought that brand and taken it over into boxing. I can go another 15 minutes on this guy about how much I don't think he's a boxer and how much he he he's he's an amateur that wants to wants to say he's a professional and he's not. But I'm gonna get this last question in here because I I gotta stop myself before I can feel my blood pressure just rising as as the angry white comp white comic on this this topic. Matt, let's go with you. What are one or two dream boxing matches you would have loved to see happen, but never did?

SPEAKER_06 58:50

Duran Pacquiao. That's probably that's probably it. Duran Pacquiao. Both guys could take a punch very well, and both guys could deliver a punch pretty well. That'd be my dream matchup.

SPEAKER_05 59:04

That's a solid start, Rusty. What about you? Roy Jones, sugar rate leonard. Oh, that's another tough one. Pity.

SPEAKER_01 59:14

I got two. Mohammed Ali, Rocky Marciano. Um, and they did do they did do the dream match after Marciano retired and Ali was suspended. But prime Mohammed Ali versus Prime Rocky Marciano, I think would have been great. And then I would love to see how someone like Mike Tyson would fare against someone like Tyson Fury, who Tyson Fury was named after Mike Tyson.

SPEAKER_05 59:39

Yeah, that that that's a solid one. Mr. What about you?

SPEAKER_03 59:42

I'll tell you, I'm gonna make this easy. The one that I would have loved to see, I would have loved to see my dad fight. I never, you know, you know, when I was, you know, I would have loved to see him fight just fight, period, in the rain one time. So that would be okay.

SPEAKER_07 59:59

D Frank, what about you? Yeah, so Fiddy sounds like he should be in the barber shop at coming to America.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:05

Rocky Macio.

SPEAKER_07 1:00:08

I'll tell you what, guys, I'm obviously not as well versed as most of you are when it comes to some of these historical fights. I am drawing inspiration from all of you. They should close Huntington Bankfield in Cleveland, the new mistake at the lake, with Kelly Pavlik and Jake Paul, have bone thugs in harmony and machine gun Kelly open up and I mean, just make it an ultimate Cleveland fest for the land. You could have uh LeBron there and bring in uh you know Bernie Kozar and every other person that's ever set foot in Cleveland and been a dude and making an event because that's the way you get people to watch boxing now.

SPEAKER_05 1:00:47

D D Frank, I'm so mad you took the I was gonna say that exact thing. You know what the hell with it is to have Pavlick versus Paul in Cleveland in the Battle of Ohio, just to add that joke in here in the show. That's a phenomenal one. A lot of good options there with what everyone was saying. You could you flip a coin, all of those are good. I don't really have too much of an opinion because all of the ones I was gonna say were set already, so I'm not gonna repeat what you guys have saying. But with that being said, that is actually going to do it for this week's episode of the Ride Home Rants Podcast. I want to thank all of my guests, D Frank, Matt Altamore, the vampire coach himself, Mr. Askw, Fiddy, and Rusty for being on the show here. This was a lot of fun to get to talk about boxing and everything and get uh the full round of combat sports in here on the show. And as always, if you enjoyed the show, be a friend. Tell a friend. If you didn't, tell them anyways, they might like it just because you didn't. That's gonna do it for me, and I will see y'all next week.