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Redefining NFL Narratives: Super Bowl Shocks, Coaching Legends, and Future Draft Insights
What if the Patriots aren't the NFL's most unpredictable team after all? Explore this and more as we dissect the mind-boggling moments of the recent NFL season with our Fab Five: Mike Worrell, JJ Phillips, Drew McLaughlin, Bill Garvey, and Dave Frank. Listen as we unravel the shocking Super Bowl showdown where the Eagles soared past the Chiefs, leaving fans in awe. Our guests bring their diverse backgrounds to the table, sharing their unique takes and adding a splash of flavor by revealing their favorite non-alcoholic drinks.
Is Mike Tomlin's legacy overstated or underrated? This episode tackles the heated debate over Tomlin's standing among NFL coaching giants. With a career peppered with playoff appearances and a Super Bowl victory, Tomlin's influence on the Steelers is undeniable. Yet, the conversation takes a sharp turn as our guests argue over his place in history compared to legends who boast multiple Super Bowl wins. Together, we ponder whether it's time for the Steelers to merely tweak their approach or embark on a more dramatic overhaul to reignite their championship hopes.
In the realm of possibilities, where does Aaron Rodgers go next, and could Deion Sanders really coach the Cowboys? Our Fab Five delve into these tantalizing questions, scrutinizing the Browns' leadership decisions and exploring the dramatic implications of a Sanders-led Cowboys team. Reflecting on the 2024 NFL season, our guests share insights into the upcoming draft, leaving listeners with a trove of thought-provoking conversations. Don't miss out on these captivating discussions that redefine the landscape of football talk, brought to you by passionate experts who live and breathe the sport.
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Welcome everybody to another episode of the Ride Home Rants podcast. This is your special guest, host Fitty, and today we bring you the NFL season recap, where we recap the season with five fantastic guests talking about everything that happened and what the future may hold. The guests today all come from different backgrounds and, in sports and as fans, they're going to give you a great insight to their opinions on what this season was all about and it was a surprising season, to say the least. Before we get into the show, make sure you peep all the sponsors in the pre-roll and the post-roll, as they're all small business owners and we want to show these small business owners support and love, just like they show the Ride Home Rants their support and love. Without further ado, I'm going to introduce our Fab Five coming to you from all over, really, the country, here. They're going to give you their name, what they currently do or what they've done, and then their favorite non-alcoholic drink. So, mike, let's start with you.
Speaker 2:Hello, fetty Mike Worrell. Here I've been a lot of places. I'm from Ohio, so I've been a lot of places. I'm from Ohio, so I've coached at Ashland University, college of Worcester, illinois, college Bethany, for a couple years and currently I'm sitting in Jacksonville, illinois, just north of St Louis, not really doing much of anything. And I was a Mountain Dew guy for years. Now I've switched to Dr Pepper Cream, Soda.
Speaker 1:Nice. Okay, and for people that don't know, I'm going to brag on Mike here for a second. Mike is the only coach in NCAA history, regardless of classification, to coach over 400 basketball games, have the national slam dunk dunk champion, regardless of classification, and be the only coach from a division three school to beat a division one school. So mike has that over that's awesome. Coach k eight. Uh, coach rup um calhoun, everybody, mike whirl has him beat on that. Now, jj, you have to follow that up Well that's a tough act to follow.
Speaker 4:Jj Phillips live in Austintown, Ohio, currently working as a quality inspector at Exoloy, and my favorite drink would have to be either strawberry or raspberry lemonade.
Speaker 1:Okay, okay, drew.
Speaker 3:What's up guys? Drew McLaughlin here, Currently a fourth grade ELA and social studies teacher and I'm currently the office coordinator at Low Bowl High School. And my favorite non-alcoholic alcoholic drink gotta be I'm basic coke.
Speaker 5:I'm a coke guy okay all right, coach garth how you doing, bill garvey, I'm currently the offensive coordinator at thomas moore um in kentucky. Really, cincinnati of your you know um, you know, being specific to it, favorite non-alcoholic drink, I guess I'll say Diet Mountain Dew, but I've grown to Celsius now because I'm getting old and old and trendy.
Speaker 1:Coach, you're not old man. I've only known you for almost 20 years now, so you know you're not getting old.
Speaker 5:Now you're making me older. I've only known you for almost 20 years now.
Speaker 1:So you know, you know you're not getting old, You're making me older. You know that makes me old, and Coach Garvey is too humbled to admit this, but as an offensive coordinator at Bethany College, during his time there he set close to 100 school records individually and as a as a team. So I'm going to brag on Coach Garvey there a little bit and then, Dave, you want to round this out here.
Speaker 6:I'm going to brag on Coach Garve there a little bit, and then, dave, you want to round this out here. Yeah, dave Frank, I'm the offensive line coach of McDowell High School in Erie, pennsylvania, and yeah, my favorite non-alcoholic drink has to be coffee, preferably black and strong, and definitely not any sort of cream or sugar, any of that stuff, just black.
Speaker 1:Okay, my favorite non-alcoholic drink. I mean, I'm pretty plain, I drink water and I drink coffee. There really ain't much in between there, so that's kind of always been me. So we're going to go Mike, JJ Drew, coach Garve and then Coach Frank rounding us with the questions here. So, really, first question I want to ask you guys Mike, you're going to start us out, because you were on the Super Bowl preview show Were you surprised at the results of the Super Bowl, with how the Chiefs got dominated by the Eagles?
Speaker 2:Yes and no. I think I predicted an Eagles win, but I also predicted an Eagles win going down to the wire. I'm not surprised that they won, but surprised at the domination of the game that day.
Speaker 1:JJ. What do you think?
Speaker 4:I was surprised. I was expecting the Chiefs to win in a close game. I was expecting the Chiefs to win in a close game. I was really surprised on how I knew the Chiefs would go in and try to stop the run, which they did. I wasn't expecting Jalen Hurts to have such a big game.
Speaker 1:Okay, drew, what was your thoughts of the game?
Speaker 3:Yeah, I was really surprised. When you have a chance to do history and three-peat and all that and to come out the way they did completely flat was almost shocking to me. In a sense, I knew it'd be a good game the Eagles had a loaded roster but to have the chance to make history and the way they came out was kind of really shocking to me.
Speaker 1:What about you, coach Garth?
Speaker 5:Yeah, I'm not sure I'm shocked about the winner. I think it's the Super Bowl, I think can go either way, but certainly the dominance of the one team or, I guess, lack of competitiveness in that game, I think was more the surprising aspect of the whole thing what about you, coach Frank?
Speaker 6:yeah, so, uh, the Eagles had the formula to beat the Chiefs, and that's being able to only rush four and their, uh, their front four tremendous in Philadelphia. And uh, they were able to control the ball on offense. The time of possession was almost two to one and that's the recipe to beat Pat Mahomes keep them off the field. And uh, you know, kudos to Andy Reid. They've been keeping together with popsicle sticks and duct tape all season long, with close, you know, less than one score victories all year long. And, um, you know they, they just ran into, they ran into a big bully in the Superbowl.
Speaker 1:You know, and I was thinking about this watching the game, you know, and Patrick Mahomes, two Superbowl losses were of just utter devastation where he just really really could not elevate them to overcome Tom Brady and the bucks, and and and and the Eagles and Jalen hurts. So for me, I think, this then we're not going to get into this topic, but I think this is a damper on my homes because he couldn't elevate them and dominate the way. To an extent Tom Brady did in super bowls, but to what Joe Montana did during his thrashings of other teams when he was quarterback in the 49ers. So I think to an extent maybe it might have, you know, tarnished what Mahomes has done and shown that he's truly can't. He can't elevate other people around him, he just makes them better, if that makes sense.
Speaker 1:Second question going off of that Superbowl. You know Nick Sirianni, in four seasons, has two NFC championship appearances, two Superbowl appearances, one Superbowl win, two NFC East titles. Where does Nick Sirianni rank right now in the NFL as a coach? And Mike, I know you're going to say what you're going to say, but let's all hear it.
Speaker 2:I'm going to stick to my usual Fiddy. Right now he's the best, but after next season. You know, going into the Super Bowl preview, andy Reid was the greatest of all time and Mahomes was one of the greatest quarterbacks. You know they're the top two or three in each man. So right now Sierra Sirianni is number one.
Speaker 1:Okay, JJ. What are your thoughts on this?
Speaker 4:The top coaches coaching right now in the league.
Speaker 1:Yeah, if you compare them to the 32, the 32 head coaches right now.
Speaker 4:I'll put them in the top five. I will still have reed above him, a couple other coaches above him, because that eagles team is just. I mean, it's stack is loaded on both sides of the ball, so he's top five okay, what do you think drew?
Speaker 3:yeah, you know, um, he's definitely top five. You can't. You can't deny what he's done. Like you said, all his accolades that he has. You can't deny it. I will say, you know, the people say Ryan Day was born on third base. I think Nick Sirianni was born halfway to home. He really inherited a great roster and it'd be hard not to mess that up, but he did it and you've got to give him the credit. So top five.
Speaker 1:Okay, what do you say?
Speaker 5:Coach Garf. As much as it pains me to say this because of the connection to it, I agree with Mike. He's the best one right now Because, again, I think it's a little bit more than people give credit for the management of those situations and those rosters right, and certainly the media piece of it. I mean everyone was calling him how bad he was. He almost got fired last year. Guy just won a Super Bowl, went to one three years ago, whatever it was, you know, and managing those players and managing two guys that they paid a ton of money and all of a sudden they signed some guy and they're running the ball over close to 30 times a game and those guys aren't getting it and everyone wants to blame the quarterback. And that didn't tear apart the locker room, that's. That's a lot of work right there and that's a hell of a job okay, when?
Speaker 1:what are your thoughts on this? Uh, coach, frank yeah.
Speaker 6:So you know, I think a nfl is a what have you done for? Meately kind of league and I think Sirianni's got to be below all those guys that have the pedigree of doing this over a long period of time Guys like Harbaugh and guys like Reid and even a guy like Mike Tomlin who's never had a losing season. You know, because if you look at Philadelphia, sure you had a guy like Doug Peterson came in, won a Super Bowl with a backup quarterback and then they ran him out of there a short time later. Sirianni was 2-2 after four games this year. He had to shave his head and rally the troops and get everything put back together just to make the run this year, and they only lost one game after that.
Speaker 6:So I say good on him. He's on a great career trajectory. I don't know, with his style, his fire of coaching, if that's something that that's got the sort of longevity that they can match some of these other guys who are or, you know, have done it for five, eight, 10, 12 years, you know. So I put them on that next step. You know he could prove me wrong and come out and win a couple more super bowls, but I think right now he's below the rest of those guys.
Speaker 1:Okay, and just a fun fact for everybody, if they don't know this in four seasons as a head coach, nick Sirianni has the most wins in NFL history in those four years, over all those all-time great coaches. Wow, yeah, there's your fun fact of the day. So I'm going to go to this one next, because we kind of mentioned it here. You know I give Mike Tomlin a lot of flack. I'll be the first one to admit that and everybody knows, knows that, but I'm I want to talk about this Um, and we're going to get your guys' opinions, but hear me out on this. So Mike Tomlin, in his 18 years, has 12 playoff appearances. He has seven AFC North titles that are a record of 103, 183, 107, and two, so that those are kind of the accolades of things.
Speaker 1:Mike Tomlin has only won a playoff game in four out of 12 appearances and four out of 18 total seasons in a Superbowl championship team. 18 out of 22 starters were drafted or signed by Bill Cowher, including the Superbowl MVP, antonio Holmes. He also inherited five men who may be in the Hall of Fame, if not, will be in the Hall of Fame, and Troy Polamalu, hines Ward, big Ben Roethlisberger, alan Fanica and potentially James Harrison. Mike Tomlin also has the third worst winning percentage in playoff history, right behind Marty Schottenheimer and Chuck Knox, with a record of 7-11.
Speaker 1:In Bill Cowher's final six seasons with the Steelers, bill Cowher won 63-32, with three AFC Central and North championships, five 8-8 seasons or better, three AFC Championship appearances, a Super Bowl win and seven playoff wins over four appearances, with winning a game each season. With that being said, there's the twofold question Is Mike Tomlin a top 10 head coach of all time, considering that the following coaches all won two or more Super Bowls Belichick, reed, flores, gibbs, parcells, Walsh, seifert, coughlin, knoll, shula, landry, lombardi, jimmy Johnson and Mike Shanahan, and then these four three guys have went to four Super Bowls but lost all of them Bud Grant, dan Rees with two teams and Mark Levy with four in a row Is Mike Tomlin a top 10 head coach of all time? And should distillers have moved on from Mike Tomlin this offseason?
Speaker 2:Mike, if everybody didn't already know, phinitty is kind of obsessed with this subject. I can tell you that firsthand. That's firsthand knowledge. I don't know about the rankings, fitty. I know he's won a lot of games and he's been in the playoffs a lot of times. To me that signifies that he's done a good job and coached a lot of good teams and they're always competitive.
Speaker 2:And I know you want to talk about Marty Schottenheimer's playoff record. Marty was always competitive, had good teams and was almost always in the playoffs. So I don't know where tomlin fits on a list, but I but I know he's probably a hall of famer with that many wins, that many playoff appearances. And I'm just one that doesn't base how great a coach is off that one big game, that super bowl game. I mean there's a lot of other stuff that goes into being a great coach in my opinion. And I'm not a Steelers fan, so I have no opinion if they should move on from him or not. I know what answer you'd like for me to give. No, I do want you to give your honest answer.
Speaker 1:But I will throw out this. This is also the Steelers' longest playoff drop without a win since pre Chuck Knoll in the early 1960s.
Speaker 2:So you're saying they're in a drought of some sort?
Speaker 1:They're definitely in a long drought.
Speaker 2:I'm still not sure what the question was, but I don't know where to rank him and it was.
Speaker 1:So is he just top 10? Is he top 10, yes or no? And then, should the Steelers have fired him, yes or no?
Speaker 2:I can't. I'm not that close and that involved with the Steelers situation. I'm not that close and that involved with the Steelers situation being at our Browns. We have enough to worry about being 3-14 this year.
Speaker 1:Don't worry, mike, we're getting to the Browns here soon.
Speaker 2:All right, top 10,? I don't know. I just know he's won a lot of games and he's probably on a list of I'm sure he's top 20 all-time in wins. Already he's 12th, he's 12th, he's 12. I don't know if I really answered you, but that's my answer.
Speaker 1:Okay, jj, what do you got?
Speaker 4:Well, I am a Steelers fan, so I would say he's not a top 10 coach. I'll put him in the top 15, top 20, somewhere in there, but not top 10 right now. And I definitely don't think we should have fired him this offseason. I mean you got to have somebody to replace him. I mean, we have winning seasons. We're this close to making a good playoff run. We just got to make a few changes and I think we'll be good.
Speaker 1:Okay, what do you got, drew?
Speaker 3:Well, I've known you a long time and I know you. I know you don't like mike tommy, but man, that was, that was deep stuff right there. There's some note taken there. Um, top 10, I I don't know. He's won a super bowl. Um, not a lot. Not too many people can say that. Uh, he's probably. If you want to rank him between 8 and 17 in my range, he's not the best there, but he's not the worst by far. Should they fire him? I'm going to say no, and here's why I'm going to say no. I'm staring at my wall right now and I have a Tennessee Titan fathead staring at my wall and I still can't believe.
Speaker 3:The Titans fired Mike Brable and it's been a year later and I'm still going to feel this way, probably 10 years in my future. There has to be some stability. It could be a lot worse, trust me. It could be a lot worse. You can have the Will Levis fiasco. You can have Brian Callahan not getting plays in and getting delayed games. It could be a lot worse. Like, like James said, the Steelers are right there. Now's not the time to clean house. Now's the time to make minor changes and make a run for it. So my answer to that is no, stay at the course. And Tennessee, please get Mike Brable back.
Speaker 1:All right, all right, coach Garf, what do you got?
Speaker 5:Top ten coach? Probably not, I think, as we sit here right now. No, If he wins another Super Bowl, he's in the conversation. Should you fire him? No, but that doesn't mean should change not happen? You know what I mean. Things get stale. But I think a better question to ask is because really nobody knows this who's making the decisions on personnel? That's to me the question to be asked. You know, I mean the guy's not winning playoff games because of the quarterbacks in his conference and he doesn't have a quarterback and hasn't in four years. And when did Roethlisberger retire? Are we talking four or five? He retired Again. It's a quarterback-driven league. It's a quarterback-driven league. They don't have one. They're taking second-rate guys. Clearly right that nobody else wanted their original teams wouldn't sign them. One guy got kicked out of town in another place. So I mean, who's making those decisions?
Speaker 6:We don't know that. No one knows that.
Speaker 5:Is it a true GM making those decisions, ownership making that decision, the CF saying that you know who's ever making that decision? That person should be fired first. Fair enough, cause they blew it First round is terrible draft pick and now they're choosing guys who no one else wants.
Speaker 1:That's fair and for everybody that doesn't know, kenny Pickett was the backup quarterback who nailed the ball in the Super Bowl for the Eagles. That was a Pittsburgh starter two years ago. So just throwing it out there, kenny Pickett now has a super bowl since he left Pittsburgh.
Speaker 4:Oh my God, come on, dave.
Speaker 1:Dave, what do you? What do you got on this one, dave?
Speaker 6:That comment was handpicked to make me incensed, because the Cunningham clipboard draft pick was the single biggest FU that Kevin Colbert made on the way out the door to echo coach Garvey's comment about you know the guy that was shopping for the groceries. You really have to go back to pre arm injury for Ben Roethlisberger before you really had a and it's a quarterback driven league. Like coach Garvey said, gosh, stealing some of the thunder for this response. However, if you're talking about a top 10 quarterback of all time I mean if you're looking at right now obviously the answer's no. However, I can remember back in 2004, when they were willing to fire Bill Cowher after six and 10 season, they drafted Ben Roethlisberger and all of a sudden they were 15 and won the next season and you know, the whole franchise was reborn. If Bill Cowher doesn't win Super Bowl, the Super Bowl XL in Detroit, does he go to the Hall of Fame? Probably not. So I don't think that you can really write Tomlin's story without having the whole you know, without having the whole portfolio here. In addition to that, you know you want to talk about should they fire Tomlin? You know, I think that there's some changes that need to be made. I have questions about their offensive line coach being given blue chip prospects and not being able to develop them properly and guys that he has gotten that have had gone on to have success elsewhere, and that tells me that maybe that's a simple. That's part of the problem.
Speaker 6:If you're going to get rid of Tomlin, you know what you better have somebody that's going to come in, that's going to be electric in, somebody that's going to come in and be really, really good. If you're going to ask that guy to walk out the door which which, by the way, three days later he's at he's going to have a job somewhere else If he wants. He could also go on TV and make a bazillion dollars too. However, you know, unless you've got Sean McVay coming through the door I'm sorry there's absolutely no reason to fire Mike Tomlin. You know, some adjustment with the staff, I get it, but until they get a quarterback, it really doesn't matter. Anyways, you know, if they re-sign Justin Fields this season and decide to go that route, awesome.
Speaker 6:I heard todayiel jones coming to pittsburgh. Those aren't. Those aren't guys that are going to be um, you know, super bowl winning quarterbacks for you and in a division where you've got um, two other teams that have reasonable quarterbacks and then a hot dumpster fire. That's the browns. I mean, you really have to to to look at that aspect of it. You don't have a quarterback. You're not going to win in this league, that's for sure.
Speaker 1:Which is a great segue into this question, aaron Rodgers. Aaron Rodgers has played a year and one game for the Jets and will be cut here eventually. Aaron Rodgers, though, this season threw for 3,897 yards, with 28 touchdowns and 11 interceptions. So, being a jets fan and suffering for all 38 years of my life being a jets fan, this is actually a very historic season for Aaron Rogers in New York jets quarterback history, which is pretty pitiful in the grand scheme of things. So Aaron Rogers wants to return, it seems like, to the NFL. Has Aaron Rogers tarnished his career by not retiring, and where do you see him playing next year, because rumor was today it was the Pittsburgh Steelers Mike. Has Aaron Rodgers tarnished his career and if, if so, or however you're going to go with this, where is he playing at next year?
Speaker 2:in my opinion he has not tarnished his career. 30, 3800 yards is a pretty good season for an nfl quarterback. Um, I guess there was talk about him and daniel jones going to cleveland last week. Um, then coaches said, I didn't know that about daniel jones maybe going to pittsburgh, but, um, it wouldn't be the worst quarterback pickup the Browns have made recently. But you know what I mean. But the Jets lost some. I know Coach Garvey likes the Jets. They lost some close games that were out of his control. I wouldn't say it was Roger's fault. So I don't know. I don't. I don't think his legacy is tarnished. He's still one of the greatest ever and if he can still play at 42 years old, I I'm all for that.
Speaker 1:So where do you think he's at next season, Mike? I have to take a guess.
Speaker 2:I have no idea. I just heard talk at Cleveland and I don't know who's desperate to bring in somebody at Browns or desperate, but there's probably five, six other teams desperate to have somebody and I but I just not sure where he's going to end up they were talking about.
Speaker 1:If the Steelers don't resign fields, should they sign Rogers, even though Wilson's six years younger? So, JJ, what are your thoughts on what Aaron Rogers has done? You know he went six and 12 the past two years, missed 15 games with Achilles injury and then, you know, had a five and 12 year for the jets this year. Where, where's his legacy at right now and where's he going to be at next season?
Speaker 4:I don't think he's tarnished his legacy at right now. And where's he going to be at next season? I don't think he's tarnished his legacy. I'm big on players playing until they don't want to play anymore. I mean their life. They want to go out there and play till they're a hundred years old. Just let them play. If they're still able to do it, he's still capable, very capable quarterback. I mean, I probably see him. He seems like he might end up on the Raiders. Honestly, I'm thinking the Raiders, please don't come to Pittsburgh. No, I don't want to. We already have enough head cases there.
Speaker 1:Drew, what do you got on this one?
Speaker 3:Yeah, I've seen a lot of places where they he wants or they say he's going. I think they're saying every spot, except the guys that have really good quarterbacks right now. Um, in regards to his legacy, I don't think it's tarnished at all, really. Um, he goes to the jets on the fourth snap. There he tears his achilles, doesn't smell the field the whole year. And then this past year with the disaster that was going on there, firing your coach and all this hearsay, he still had a pretty good year. So you can't say it's tarnished quite yet. Um, I now I do think this is a huge decision for him. Or he wants to go, like people are saying, to go to tennessee and play for my titans. That would be the worst thing he can do because he'll just ride off into the sunset in Nashville.
Speaker 3:If I'm Aaron Rodgers, I'm sitting down with whoever I sit down with and I'm asking myself three questions Could I win there? Is it indoors and do I have a good defense? And I think the answer to all three of those is the Minnesota Vikings. Sam Darnold's going to be leaving. He's going to get his cash elsewhere. Jj McCartney, is he ready yet? Probably not. So follow the Brett Favre footprint Go to Minnesota Play in the Dome. You have stability, you have good weapons, you have a good defense and there you go.
Speaker 1:And the Jets were such a dumpster fire. Robert Sala was such a good defensive coordinator and terrible head coach and that just happens. And Joe Douglas should be banished from the NFL as the worst general manager in NFL history and it was pretty bad. It was pretty pretty. He was right up there with Matt Millen as a terrible GM and that was pretty bad.
Speaker 5:All right, coach Garb, you gotta put blame on the owner to an extent, yeah, and Woody's not not great either, but if Jerry Jones wasn't in this league, he'd be the worst owner in football.
Speaker 1:I would I would, I would agree with you on that I would. I would agree.
Speaker 5:Because he can't get out of his way, because he refuses to shut his mouth.
Speaker 1:Yeah, no, I would, I would, I would agree with you, I would definitely. But we can have a whole episode on why the jets are a dumpster fire and that can last like six hours. So, coach Gargo, you're the quarterback whisperer. You've you've coached Ryan Fitzpatrick. You've coached record setters. He did not tarnish. His legacy has not tarnished his legacy.
Speaker 5:If it goes, if he does not resign, does decide to retire, all. If he does not resign and does decide to retire, all we're going to say is he hung on too long. You can't take his stats away. You can't take that period of where he may have been. That little five year, probably six year span may be the best quarterback ever to play the game. He's got that little career there. It just wasn't a long time compared to what we're seeing out of other people ie Tom Brady, ie probably Patrick Mahomes and those types of people but he is just as good as anyone probably has ever played the game, because what he can do with his feet that Achilles clearly is a problem for him because he cannot attack the line of scrimmage like he used to for sure. Where is he going? God bless it, I don't know. Minnesota is very, very interesting, minnesota's very, very interesting, minnesota's very, very interesting. Like you said, drew, the Raiders make sense, but I don't. I don't see him and Pete Carroll being on the same page.
Speaker 1:Personally, you know what, though, they're both so hippie like and they want to be surfers and yeah, but you know, but there's, they're they're different hippie.
Speaker 5:Yeah, they want to be surfers and yeah, but you know, but there's, they're different hippie. Yeah, that's true.
Speaker 1:Aaron Rodgers is like.
Speaker 5:Aaron Rodgers is just a weird dude.
Speaker 1:He's a weird dude. I would agree with you on that. He wants to go into a tent and have hot coals around, and a social media wasn't around and TV shows.
Speaker 5:I don't think we would have a conversation about him tarnishing his legacy and everything. But I think there's enough hatred because of the world we live in, where people want to hate him so bad because of the things he says and they take it personally okay and for everybody.
Speaker 1:And for everybody that doesn't know and I was saying this earlier coach Garvey coached Ryan Fitzpatrick at Harvard. Shout out coach Garvey having that connection. And a special shout out to coach Garvey's good friend, dan Quinn, on another spectacular season as a head coach, taking two teams to the playoffs something Mike Tomlin has never done.
Speaker 5:So only been a head coach for one team.
Speaker 1:Right, right, right, right, uh, but no, uh, in all seriousness, that we'll, we'll see. You know, dave, you're a former um. You know former head coach at the high school level. You know you're an offensive line coach. You know now, at the high school level. You know where I'm going to get your opinion on this. You know where where is this Aaron Rogers things falling? Is it? Did he tarnish his career? Was it the offensive line for the jets? You know what was it exactly and you know where's he at next year.
Speaker 6:John, I feel like you've been taking some of Aaron Rogers ayahuasca with your hatred for Mike Tomlin. I'll tell you this you know, if you dig down at Aaron Rogers numbers a little bit further this season, his last five games this year he was excellent, but that's the equivalent of hitting, you know, a home run when you're down seven and in the seventh inning. You know he put a lot of garbage time numbers up this year, which is great if you play fantasy football, but it wasn't. You know he put a lot of garbage time numbers up this year, which is great if you play fantasy football, but it wasn't. You know they were in games that were relatively meaningless. You know. I think that as long as Aaron Rodgers talent outpaced his personality, he was fine. However, I think the other one is caught up to the other.
Speaker 6:I think Aaron Rodgers next year will not be playing in the NFL. Aaron Rodgers will be a full-time contributor to the Pat McAfee show. You know teams have been really turned off by that. That's something that he really wanted to do and something he really wants to continue to do, and he's going to try to jump on this whole Jason Kelsey, travis Kelsey, the whole podcast, you know, creating a sort of of outside of the game you know revenue stream to continue long after the game of football goes.
Speaker 6:I mean, it used to be, guys would retire and they'd have to go over like into the booth to make any money. And now you know this isn't Dan Marino with isotonic gloves. I mean, these guys can go and make real money here and I I just I think that Aaron Rogers, to answer your question has he tarnished his legacy? I think the garbage time numbers that he put up in the last five weeks of the season sort of rescue that this year, you know they can blame the Achilles for the previous season. However, if he goes somewhere else, particularly to one of these also ran teams like the Raiders, you know it's going to be all fine and good, he's going to get paid, but it's really it'll look poor. This, this is Franco Harris playing for the Seahawks. This is, you know, his best bet is to just latch on a McAfee and ride that rocket ship to retirement.
Speaker 1:Okay and which leads me into you know this, because we talked about it too, and you know you're talking about legacies and coaches and this and that Kevin Stefanski and Andrew Barry run the Dumpster Fire Cleveland Browns. And it is a dumpster fire, you know, during the time that they've been there since the Watson trade, Watson is 9 and10 as a starter. The Browns are 20-31 as an organization, with one playoff appearance in three years, led by Joe Flacco. In the meantime, the Houston Texans, because of the trade with them, inherited 10 players, five of which are starters, five of which are backups, plus the defensive rookie of the year a few years ago, Will Anderson, and Baker Mayfield has went on to take the Buccaneers to back-to-back playoff appearances and back-to-back division titles. Who is more at fault for the Browns? You can't blame Jimmy Haslam. Is it Andrew Berry or Stefanski? Or should they both be equally to blame, Mike?
Speaker 2:Before I attempt to answer that, fetty, the Browns have never recovered since they fired Marty Schottenheimer in 1988, in my opinion, and also we've never thrown this out Marty Schottenheimer took three teams, three different teams, to the playoffs, won division titles with three different teams and almost a fourth team. I just want to throw that out there, fetty, alright. Next, I don't know who made the decision to bring Watson in. I don't know if it was a collaboration between the GM and Stefanski and Haslam all three of them but they set up Houston for the future and really crushed the Browns for the next several years. So I can't really answer it. It's like Coach Garvey was saying earlier, like who makes the decisions? We don't know. I still don't know. I'm assuming Stefanski is still there because he didn't want to bring Watson in and he's not getting the wrath or the blame for that. But who knows? So I can't. It's just a mess right now. I don't know how to answer anything really about the Browns right now.
Speaker 1:Well, the thing is, you can't fire the owner, as we know as jets fans with uh, with Woody there. So, uh, somebody got to pay the Piper with the Browns. Should it be Stefanski, or should it be Barry, or should it be both? Jj, what's your thoughts on the Browns?
Speaker 4:Ah man, um, hot dumpster fire. They probably both should be fired. Whoever made the decision that Deshaun Watson traded? This is just crazy, because they were on their way up with Mayfield and they were building around him and it was. They were on their way up and then they just totally just cut their legs out from under him when they made that trade, like there. I mean, I don't know what they're even going to do for the future, like they're just. They're just going to be the Browns for as long as I'm alive, probably. So, yeah, they both can be fired.
Speaker 1:You know, and the thing is, because of that trade you also the ripple effect of, of, you know, miles Garrett, now one, two, two leaf, and even costing them more talent going out the door.
Speaker 4:They can save it. So they trade miles, Garrett. But whoever they trade them to, they say you have to take Watson too. That's part of the deal. So they can save it.
Speaker 1:That's a that's that's interesting. That is a that is definitely interesting, drew. What's your, what's your take on this? Barry Stefanski or both?
Speaker 3:Yeah, you know I'm not a Browns fan, but I know a lot of people that are, and I know a lot of my Browns fans when that trade went down, were probably the happiest people in the world. To say they are now not so much, but you know, is what it is. Yeah, to say they are now not so much, but you know, is what it is. If you're going to fire one of the two, you're probably going to say Barry, you get to look what Kevin Stefanski has done in his tenure with the Browns. He's two playoff appearances, a playoff win. I mean, when was the last time a Browns could say anything of that nature at all? He's done it twice with two different quarterbacks, almost probably two different teams.
Speaker 3:I know, as a Titans fan, I would love stability. I know Browns. That's. One thing they do need is stability. You can't get rid of their head coach that has taken two different teams like that and made the playoffs twice. You got to stay pat with him. He knows how to do it, he's done it. And if you're going to fire one of the two, it's hard to even say Barry. I know it's a bad trade, but all these GMs make bad trades. He's brought a lot of good talent into Cleveland. Like I said, it's something they haven't seen in a long time. So if you had to pick one, you'd probably pick Barry. You need to try with Stefanski until he says no, because he's he's brought you there.
Speaker 1:Okay, Coach Garth, what's your opinion on this?
Speaker 5:Yeah, I think it's Barry right, even though he has brought in some talent. But it's not about the talent, like what Obviously Deshaun Watson bring him in. You're saying that guy's talented, but it was the money piece of it where it was a really bad decision. Miles Garrett's their only savior, right? They need to trade his ass and get a lot of capital for him and start over. They have no choice. To me, right? I mean they are not. You got to look at them as they're almost a two-year project Really one year, because if you get enough capital out of miles garrett, you can flip it sure, sure.
Speaker 1:Okay, dave, what's your opinion on this?
Speaker 6:the cleveland browns are a team of tragedy. They wasted the career of hall of fame joe, hall of famer joe thomas. They have wasted the career of nick chubb. They are wasting the career of miles garrettb. They are wasting the career of Miles Garrett.
Speaker 6:Baker Mayfield did nothing but try to play through a season with a separated shoulder and gut it out for the team. And what did they do? They ran him out of town. That's unforgivable. It's a situation where talking to Browns fans in that offseason was the Steelers were in a shopping for a quarterback as well and it was hey, cool, let's, we're interested, but let's not mortgage the farm. Well, not only did the Browns mortgage the farm in the terms of draft capital, with number one draft picks and number two draft picks and number three draft picks, they also mortgaged the the farm by, with his suspension, putting off all of that money into guaranteed money. They're on the hook for the next two seasons for $72 million against the cap. That means literally one. Whatever fifth of your cap approximately is going to be dedicated to a guy who's not going to contribute to your team. Now, if they get them on this dancing thing, is is part of his recovery and they can recover a little bit of it perhaps next year, then he's only a $45 million cap hit or something like that, but at the end of the day, this is the worst trade, double down with the worst contract in professional sports history.
Speaker 6:The Cleveland Browns are a team of tragedy and I'm going to be honest. I mean, what's their best bet? It was Flacco Now. Now it's what Kirk cousins? Uh, to come in and rescue the franchise. They have some pieces and parts around them, but, um, you know, the Browns are in for another. What is coach Garvey? You said two years. No, they're five, six years away from being relevant again and it's going to take a lottery ticket at quarterback in order to make it happen. It's. It's sad for the people of Cleveland, like they deserve better than this. The Browns fans are loyal. They show up in the Muni lot every week, and so what are the Browns going to do? They're going to continue to suck and they're going to try to move the team to Berea and build a dome Like uh, uh, who's in charge of this? To broad from major league, like it's the absolute most idea ever.
Speaker 1:All right, Now next one. Now you're right, Mike.
Speaker 2:Go ahead. No, no, he's really got me depressed after that.
Speaker 1:All right. The next one is just a yes or no answer. Will Mike McCarthy be a head coach again in 2026? Mike.
Speaker 2:Not 2025. You said 2026 in 2026. Yes I'm not sure, but I'll say no okay jj, yes, all right drew probably not, but he should okay, coach garth.
Speaker 1:Yes, all right, coach frank, absolutely okay, I think he will too. He said he was going to sit out this year. You know he's a Super Bowl-winning coach out. There Could be somebody for the Browns, could be somebody for the Steelers, if they do decide to go away from Tomlin. Could be a lot of guys, giants, you could fit out a lot of different places Titans.
Speaker 1:All right, two questions left. I think they're the big ones a lot of people talked about. So, speaking of the cowboys, they were linked to deon sanders in the offseason. Now deon sanders coached um. You know the past few years at the college level, um. Should deon sanders have been the cowboys next head coach? Now, before you answer, think of this. He's going to have two out of the top five draft picks at um at Colorado. Go in the NFL draft. Two out of the top five. He went eight and four and got crushed by the storm and Mormons of BYU in a bowl game not forecasted to have one player drafted in the first four rounds. Should the on standards have been the Cowboys' next head coach, mike?
Speaker 2:This is cut and dry for me and I'm biased. I'm saying no, Marty Schottenheimer's son Brian, I'm a Schottenheimer guy. Cut and dry, that's it.
Speaker 1:All right, jj. What are your thoughts? Should Deion Sanders have been the next head coach of the Cowboys?
Speaker 4:My personal opinion no. But if Jerry Jones really wanted him to sell tickets and everything because Jerry doesn't care about winning anymore, he just wants to make money then yes.
Speaker 1:That's valid.
Speaker 4:That is valid.
Speaker 1:That would have made a lot of money off of that. Drew, what's your opinion? Should Deion Sanders, losing four games, two top five nfl draft picks, getting annihilated in the bowl game? Should he have been the cowboys?
Speaker 3:head coach. I tell you I can't get over the storm. And mormon, that's hilarious.
Speaker 1:I don't know where you came up with that one. No one's ever heard of the storm and mons.
Speaker 3:Um, I, I don't know, Probably not. There's quite a lot more guys that are qualified for it, but his name playing there did what he did there. This relationship, Jerry Jones, carries some weight. Um, I don't know how far God, I don't even know if they talked or they interviewed or what. What. What have you? Um, I would say no, but if they did do it, I think that stadium would explode. I'm excited.
Speaker 1:I think if, if Dion can win maybe 10 or 12 games or a national championship over the next couple of years consecutively, have some success like that, I think he can make a nice transition to the NFL. But just not right now. Coach Garth, what's your opinion? No, that's pretty dry. What about you, coach Frank?
Speaker 6:Yeah, he, he's, uh, he's all hat and no cattle. Um, when you're talking about Dion Sanders, there's only one place where that would work and that's a place where the, the, the show is the show, and that's Las Vegas. And that's if he would have went to the Raiders and, instead of Pete Carroll, and then drafted his son and they would have taken their show on the road. Uh, uh, just just down the highway from Colorado to to Vegas. Um, you know, dallas is. Uh, the offensive players on that staff almost to a man, were excited that Schottenheimer was going to be the new guy. And is it the perfect hire? Absolutely not, but every once in a while that works out for you. And again, until Jerry Jones steps away as a general manager, that also is going to continue to be a dumpster. Fire, they're paying $65 million to Dak Prescott to be the guy.
Speaker 1:Yeah, fire, they're paying 65 million dollars to Dak Prescott to be to be the guy yeah and I, and I think you know, I do think, like I said, he'll be in a couple years away.
Speaker 1:I think to me, if there's all, if there is going to be a hot shot college coach making the leap in the near future, in my opinion, I think it's going to be Dan Lanning from Oregon. That's just my opinion on that Last question. We're going to round it out with this and the big question. There was a lot of talk, a lot of excitement, yet a lot of flack behind Josh Allen winning the MVP this year. I personally thought Barkley was the MVP of the league, mike, in your opinion, did the NFL get this right with Josh Allen? Was he the MVP, or should someone else have gotten it? My vote went to Barkley, mike. What's your opinion?
Speaker 2:I never really came up with an MVP. I thought there were about four guys. You know the Ravens quarterback Allen Barkley, even Joe Burrows, even though the Bengals didn't make the playoffs. So I could have lived with any of those guys being named with it, so no controversy for me.
Speaker 1:Okay, JJ. What about you? What was your thoughts about Josh Allen getting the MVP? Should he have got it? Should somebody else have got it? What do you think?
Speaker 4:My personal opinion, barkley should have got it, but it's a quarterback award now, so it's between him and Lamar Jackson, and so Lamar Jackson had the better numbers. So I know they were probably fatigued of him winning it, so they just gave it to Allen just to have somebody different. So technically I think Lamar Jackson should have won, but I understand why they did it, but yeah.
Speaker 1:Okay, Drew. What are your thoughts on this?
Speaker 3:Yeah, you know I don't know, man, I hate this MVP stuff. I really don't pay any attention to it. Josh Allen had a good year. I guess he's going to get it. It's how they value it, how they look at it, and based off numbers, I guess he was one of the top sake ones up there as well, but my MVP is the center for the Philadelphia Eagles. It takes the beating when they do the touch push every day.
Speaker 1:Coach Garve, I want to get your opinion on this because, for people that don't know, Coach Garve again coaching some of the most prolific offenses in Bethany history, from the Mackermar days of him running the ball to him going into a passer, to Eric Walker to Lincoln Reyes the many different changes in Coach Garve. You've coached quarterbacks with a ton of different skill sets. Was Josh Allen the MVP of you know of this year, or should it have went to somebody else?
Speaker 5:That's a good question. Now, he's certainly valid of that MVP, because you take him off that team, they lose games, plain and simple. The question I think you have to ask is if you take the next best guy and put him on the Eagles and hand him the ball, do they still win games? And I think the answer to that question is probably yes, compared to replacing Josh Allen. So therefore, I think it's right. Okay, can Barkley win it? Sure, he almost rushed for 2000 yards and really probably should have.
Speaker 5:But the world we live in, you can't get that guy hurt because he is that valuable. So maybe that answers the question that he is the most valuable player because they didn't play him Okay, okay, I don't think there's either right or wrong answer, but but I think if you take Josh Allen out of that lineup, they lose games, I think, no matter who they replace him with, even if they replace him with the next best guy, right? I just think it's different, that dynamic position is different. If you replace the running back, can they still win games with the next best guy? I think the answer to that question is yes, because it's just a different dynamic. Okay, because of the five guys in front of them.
Speaker 1:We did talk about that on the Super Bowl preview show. Could the Eagles still have made it without Barkley or not? It was a pretty interesting topic on that. So you know, dave, your opinion. You know, being an O-line guy, all right, I want to hear this is josh allen deserving of the mvp, or should I've went to somebody else?
Speaker 6:so I I think that the nfl needs to more clearly define the criteria for naming their mvp, because you have saquon barkley wins the, the offensive player of the year, uh, but not the mvp. So so mean, is he not a player? Also, I think that a guy like Saquon's penalized because he's on such a talented roster with the Eagles, a guy like Lamar, whose passing numbers, if you look at him, nobody's ever had those passing numbers and not won the MVP. And oh, by the way, if you look at his rushing numbers, he also was a Pro Bowl running back within that same criteria. So for me personally, if it's Lamar and Josh Allen, it was Lamar. Josh Allen won it because they viewed him as the most valuable cog on his team.
Speaker 6:But I'm going to argue, if that's the argument that you're going to make, the Bills roster, as it's currently composed, is far greater than the person who should have been the MVP, if that's the criteria you're using, and that's Jaden Daniels, because the commanders were absolutely terrible. Daniels came in totally flip that roster upside down, did so with only one legitimate receiver in Terry McLaurin and an old man in Zach Hertz. The defense was, you know, okay, but you know if you're comparing apples to apples here, you know Allen versus Daniels. I think it should have been Daniels, so my one vote would have been Lamar. But if you're looking at it, most valuable person to their team, I think Daniels was more valuable to the commanders versus Alan to the bills.
Speaker 1:Okay, that's valid. Now we're going to have one bonus question for everybody out there. Mike game is on the line. Two minutes and 30 seconds to go. You got to go 90 yards for the winning touchdown, no timeouts. But you got the two-minute warning. You got Mahomes, john Elway or Joe Montana. You just got to pick one of them. No explanation. Who are you picking? 2.30 to go, no timeouts, 90 yards, game-winning touchdown. You need it. Joe Montana, john Elway, patrick Mahomes.
Speaker 2:Montana.
Speaker 1:Okay, jj, who are you taking?
Speaker 4:Taking Montana.
Speaker 1:Okay, drew.
Speaker 3:John Elway.
Speaker 1:Okay, coach Garth Mahomes. Okay, coach Frank.
Speaker 6:Ben Roethlisberger. Wait, that wasn't one of the options.
Speaker 1:Who'd you say, coach Frank?
Speaker 6:Joe Montana.
Speaker 1:Okay, I was just thinking of that too. And you know, mike, I know John Owey ripped your heart out on two different occasions in the eighties.
Speaker 2:I was at the game and the dog pound during the drive.
Speaker 1:I will say one of the more underrated quarterbacks of the lifetime of a lot of us is John Elway, so five-time Super Bowl starter, second most Super Bowl appearances ever as a starter, behind Tom Brady, joe Montana and Terry Bradshaw, second most winning Super Bowl quarterbacks in NFL history. So that was a lot of fun, guys. Thank you so much for coming on and talking about the NFL recap season and diving into some stats and some rants and everything in between, but it was a very exciting. 2024 season that is now over and now we prepare for the draft and we'll see what happens to Mike JJ, coach Garve, drew and and Dave. Thank you so much for coming on and making this episode of the ride home rants another special one. So to all of our listeners out there, whether you're old and new, make sure you're telling everyone about the podcast, because I bet they like the show even a little bit more than you, because we're the hottest thing out there. So this is Fitty and we will see you next week.
