Ride Home Rants
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Super Bowl Showdown: Elements, Legends, and the Debate on Coaching Greatness
What if the magic of the Super Bowl lies in the unpredictable challenges of the elements? Join me, Fiddy, alongside a stellar lineup of sports professionals, as we dissect this exhilarating rematch between the Kansas City Chiefs and the Philadelphia Eagles. With guests like Bill Stoy, Jose Jefferson, Kurt Barth, Mike Worrell, and Hal Mumme, our conversations are rich with personal anecdotes and professional insights from the worlds of football and basketball, offering a unique perspective on the iconic Super Bowl showdown.
We ignite a spirited debate on the merits of holding major football games in controlled environments versus the thrill of battling the elements. Our guests passionately weigh the pros and cons, discussing how weather can be both a formidable foe and an exhilarating component of the sport. Amidst these discussions, we also explore Nick Sirianni's current standing among NFL coaches, challenging the conventional metrics of coaching greatness and setting the stage for a thoughtful examination of his future prospects in the league.
The heart of our episode delves into the intricacies of coaching legacies. Through captivating stories and expert analysis, we assess Andy Reid's enduring influence and adaptability in the NFL. As we spotlight the synergies between legends like Reid and Mahomes, and the strategic prowess of figures like Bill Belichick and Vince Lombardi, our discussions culminate in a lively debate about the greatest coaches of all time. Tune in for a dynamic blend of sports wisdom, historical reflections, and Super Bowl predictions that promise to captivate and inform.
Anticipation builds as we delve into the Super Bowl rematch between the Chiefs and Eagles, discussing the key players' roles, coaching strategies, and varied
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Welcome everybody to another episode of the Ride Home Rants podcast. This is your special guest, host Fitty, and I'm filling in for Mike Bono. Today, as we bring you the Super Bowl preview of the Chiefs and the Eagles in the rematch from a couple years ago, I have a great panel of guests who have come from all facets of football and sports backgrounds to talk to you today. First and foremost, make sure you peep all the sponsors in the pre-roll and the post-roll, as they're all small business owners and they're great supporters of this show. Without further ado, I'm going to introduce the legends on the call today and they're going to break down this game. But, guys, when you introduce yourselves, you're going to tell everybody what you do or what you've done, and then who's the most intense person you've ever coached with or played for? So, bill Stoy, start us out.
Speaker 2:What's going on, guys? Bill, like Finney just mentioned, currently a pharmaceutical sales rep. As far as most intense coach I've ever been around, definitely Coach Hurdley, our defensive coordinator, austintown Fish, when I played there. No-transcript.
Speaker 1:Jose You're on mute.
Speaker 3:Jose, there we go. Jose Jefferson Currently I'm the general manager of Florida International. Jose, there we go. Jose Jefferson Currently I'm the general manager of Florida International University, all's up, and probably the most intense person I've mostly probably been around and you'd be surprised is probably Will McClay. That's executive vice president of the Cowboys right now player personnel In the Arena League. He was intense man, I mean mean totally different than what he is now, but great guy, but uh, it's just kind of weird to see him kind of mellow, so okay kurt.
Speaker 4:How's it going um kurt barth? I'm currently at washington community high school in washington, illinois. Uh, most intense person I was around in football. I played for John Tully when I was at Eureka College as a student athlete. John was a very intense coach, very well in tune with everything that was going on, and he kept you on your toes.
Speaker 1:Awesome.
Speaker 4:Mike.
Speaker 5:Yes, mike Worrell, I coached college basketball for many years Ashland University in Ohio, college of Worcester in Ohio I'm from Ohio, that's where I grew up. And then I was head coach at Illinois College 22 years and back east at Bethany College with Fitty there, for I was there for four and a half years and, um, as a young assistant coach, I worked for a couple, you know, several high intensity head coaches roger lions at ashland I was with first and he had played there for bill muscleman, so he was a bill muscleman clone. I was actually scared to death at least the first three or four months working for roger, but but after that it was like one of the greatest experiences I ever had working for him. And then I was at college at worcester with steve moore uh regarded as one of the most intense college basketball coaches on on any level and he, I think, third all-time winning. I think he's won 880 games and he retired like three years ago.
Speaker 1:So I would say those two coaches that I work for Okay, and for everybody that doesn't know, mike is the only basketball coach in NCAA history to have the slam dunk champion at any level coaching at division three and having a division three basketball team beat a division one basketball team. So Mike is the only coach in NCAA history to accomplish that feat. I just want to throw that out there. Yeah, and then finally, uh how?
Speaker 6:Yeah, how mummy I've been. The we're currently on the president and head football coach of the san antonio caballeros in the soon to be known about international football alliance. We're playing developmental football in the summer for guys so they can get back to get to the nfl or get back to the nfl uh kick off may 31st and we play through uh the end of j July. Check us out on TV. We'll have like 100 million TV sets in America. Lights Out Sports is doing us, so if you've got that on your streaming, check it out on that. We're also in Mexico, australia, new Zealand and parts of Europe and South America. So it'll be pretty good publicity for these guys.
Speaker 6:Anyway, most intense person, of course I've been the head coach. Everybody would say I was the most intense, probably. But besides me or Mike Leach, I think, jeff Snedeker, who was my middle linebacker at Kentucky in the late 90s. And Snedeker, the first time I ever met him, walked in my office, sat down in a chair in front of me, looked me straight in the late nineties. And Snedeker, the first time I ever met him, walked in my office, sat down in a chair in front of me, looked at me, looked me straight in the eye and said I'm the best linebacker on your team. This is when I first got the job. And and he, he turned out he was right. And then, uh, a couple of years later, we're.
Speaker 6:We're trying to get to the first New Year's Day bowl game they've been to in 50-something years. We're playing Mississippi State and we're playing at Mississippi State. Mississippi State has a quarterback named Wayne Madkin who is a great athlete but not a great passer. The whole week I'm pressed upon him Just keep him in the pocket and make him throw. And it's a really close game. It goes back and forth and towards the end of the game, wayne gets forced out of the pocket and Snedeker's hunting him down on the sidelines and I'm screaming at him just push him out of bounds. Just because their backup quarterback was a great passer and we only had a three-point, we only had a two-point lead in this game. It's the fourth quarter and so I'm screaming at Snedeker don't hit him. Don't hit him, just push him out of bounds. Oh, of course not. Oh no, we take him out at the thigh. Poor Wayne's laying there on the sidelines about three feet from me and I'm looking at him going come on, wayne, get up. You're okay, you can do it. Hey, haul him off the field.
Speaker 6:They put matt wyatt in, who is kind of a famous radio guy around mississippi now, and matt wyatt proceeded to pick us apart for about a 75 yard drive and and uh, they kicked a field goal on the last play of the game and Jackie Sherrill beat me by one point. So Jeff was very, very intense and the great thing about Jeff is he lives near all you guys over there. He's a brilliant businessman and really a great guy. We went fishing in Alaska a few years ago but he's not a great guy. We went fishing in Alaska a few years ago but he, he, uh, not a great guy. Jeff Snedeker, he's from Ohio, played in Kentucky and really really an intense player.
Speaker 1:That's, that's awesome. Thanks for sharing that. I would say for myself. Um, you know, probably the most intense person I've ever been around is former Bethany head football coach, tim Weaver. Tim came from the division one level, came down to a Division III level where Bethany was 1-27 combined. The three years before I got there we went 4-6 my first year and he willed us to four wins 4-6, 4-6, 3-7, 3-7, winning 14 games during my time there. So definitely one of the most intense people I've ever met, but a great mentor to myself. So we're here to talk about the Super Bowl. We have the rematch from two years ago with the Chiefs and the Eagles kicking off this Sunday and this show will preview on Saturday. So it'll give everybody about a day and a half to listen to this and get ready for the game. So we're going to start with you, bill, on this. Who is that one person on either side of the ball, coach, player, whatever it is, who is the X factor in this game?
Speaker 2:I guess I'll take the easy one. We'll say Patrick Mahomes. I think he's the ultimate difference maker, ultimate equalizer. You know, you look at the roster. I think a lot of people would say Eagles probably got a pretty loaded roster, but Mahomes can do a Mahomes thing. So I'll take the easy one off the board and go with him.
Speaker 1:Okay, jose, would you agree with that, or would you pick somebody else as the X factor?
Speaker 3:No, saquon Barkley all day long. I mean most rushing yards NFL history period. I mean they don't stop to run. He's going to run all over them and and I think the chiefs their fronts good, their defense good, but you know every, I just think with that combination with hurts, but he's just playing outstanding football and if he doesn't get the NFL MVP, I don't know what an MVP is, I just don't.
Speaker 1:Gotcha. What about you, Coach Barth? Who are you picking on this?
Speaker 4:I agree with Jose. I think if the Eagles can keep Barkley relevant in the game, meaning they're running the football and controlling the clock a little bit, and they can keep him engaged and effective, I think they've got an excellent shot. But I think he's the key for them to be able to to stay in the game and have a shot to win okay.
Speaker 1:What about you, mike? What are you saying?
Speaker 5:uh, being a marty schottenheimer disciple, um, I'm gonna say off the cuff, the philadelphia eagles offensive line, um, as the x factor. I know barkley great and I love watching him run. But the Eagles and I couldn't tell you one of their guys' names on that offensive line but they must be pretty darn good and if they can control that line of scrimmage and they can run the ball, I like the Eagles.
Speaker 1:Okay, coach, mommy, who would you say is the X factor in this? Well, I think.
Speaker 6:I think, uh, my homes is the X factor. But he's the X factor because what everybody else has already said, because if the Eagles offensive line can control a line of scrimmage and Saquon can have a big day, that makes Jalen Hurts a wild card. So I don't know if I'm picking Mahomes or Hurts. I mean, if the Chiefs can stay in it and be relevant, then it's going to be because of Mahomes. If the Eagles dominate like they did against the Commanders, it's going to be because of Hurts, because of Barkley, because of the O-line. So that's the way I see it.
Speaker 1:Okay, and we're going to go back to you, bill, on this, and I'm curious about this because, as all being you know, former college athletes or high school players or administrators I'm going to get your take on this. So the game is in New Orleans, right? So we know it's in the Dome, okay, you know, in your opinion, do you like the Super Bowls being in the Domes or warm weather climates only, or should they be playing these in cold climates as well? We've all played in cold games. I know Coach Mummy's coaching all types of weather. You know coach Barth has played in the cold. You know Jose's played in in the warmth, though inside the inside the domes, in the arena league. You know I've played in some brutal outside games. I want to get your guys' opinion on this, though. Should this always be in domes, should it always be in warm weather, or should they put it in the cold weather? Bill, what do you say?
Speaker 2:Maybe I'll be the new school guy on this, but I like it how it is. You take away the I don't want to say excuses, but you obviously put a lot of different factors into it. I think a lot of times through the playoffs you'll get weather games on both sides, so definitely a chance to have to prove it that way as well. But I like the last game being warm weather. Make sure uh, you know, in a dome, something like that, nothing outside really taking too much factor into it. So I'm sure some other people disagree, but I I like it how it is okay.
Speaker 3:What would you say, jose, I'm an arena guy, you know me, I want perfect. I want perfect conditions, and I mean they put enough money into it that it should be the best game of the season, not only by stature, but by weather as well too. I mean, make the conditions as best as you can, and that way the loser doesn't have an excuse. Nobody has an excuse, except for they just got outplayed or whatever the case may be. But you know, like, like I said, it's best conditions possible.
Speaker 1:That's just how I see it okay, fair coming from the arena, guys. So, um what? What about you, coach barth? What do you say on this?
Speaker 4:yeah, I, I guess I agree with that. The the fair weather, uh, is always, you know, it kind of keeps things balanced, although I I think it would be interesting at times to see, you know, teams battled out in the snow and you know it would cause some teams that are maybe, you know, play one dimensional or you can't be one dimensional, right. So if so, if a team gets stuck with that, you know, just see how they adapt, so that that would be the intriguing part of it. But for the fans perspective and all that, I think that there would be some fan bases that would love to be sitting in the cold weather. But I think overall, you know, for the game conditions to be set, I think benefits the game and everyone involved.
Speaker 1:Gotcha. What do you say, Mike Worrell?
Speaker 5:Sure, the NFL, you know, for the fans and extracurricular activities, events for Super Bowl, they want it. Warm weather, side spike. So that's fine with me. But I agree with Coach Barth it would be interesting to see a game every once in a while natural elements outside, and see how teams adapt to that.
Speaker 1:What do you say?
Speaker 6:Hal on this one. Well, I remember back to what was it 2017 or 18, when Denver had to go play in the Meadowlands.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it was about 10 years ago, something like that.
Speaker 6:Yeah, it was about eight or I don't know, eight or 10 years ago, but no, it was a horrible experience. I didn't even like listening to it on the radio. I was on the road at the time. But but uh, I, I agree with everybody. Just, you know, play, play it in the best possible. You don't want anybody to have an excuse. I think whoever said that was smart and and, uh and and you got to think about the fans. Pro football is the entertainment business, so you got to think about that and so I think they're doing a smart thing by having in new orleans. I, I think it kind of works against the eagles a little bit, because they've been used to playing these.
Speaker 1:Uh, great nope, I think we just lost coach mummy, so we'll uh, we'll come back to him on that, but he left it as great, so we'll see. Um, so I'm gonna answer this one. Actually, I want to see it in the cold weather, right, because the thing is right. If you're a football player, you have to be mentally tough, right? Yes, the money is great and the money fuels you, but eventually you got to find internal toughness for yourself to go battle through the elements, though, as well, and if you want to see how bad somebody wants that Super Bowl bonus and be a champion, go play in Buffalo or Cleveland right now and you'll find out how tough you truly truly are in that regard. So that's just my opinion on it. I want to see guys be tough. I want to see the ice bowl happen again and I want to see the freezer bowl happen again. That's what I want.
Speaker 6:We got Coach Mummy back on. Yeah well, somebody tried to call me and it cut me off, but I'm just saying you know you got to think about the fans. You really do, and nobody wants to watch a 10-7 game in the freezing ice in Green Bay for a Super Bowl.
Speaker 1:I would. I think that would be so much fun. I was just saying when you're off. I said I want to see the freezer bowl, I want to see the ice fun.
Speaker 4:I was just saying when you're off. I said I want to see the freezer bowl.
Speaker 1:I want to see the ice bowl. I want to see that. I want to see the freezer bowl. Negative 40-degree wind chills out there.
Speaker 6:Well, I'm old enough to remember that and I'm also experienced enough to have played in a couple of those when I was at Wesleyan, so I promise you they're not as much fun as playing in the dome in New Orleans.
Speaker 1:That's funny. So, um, I want to get your guys take on this. You know, um a lot of us are coaches, or former players, or you know, and or um current coaches, so I'm going to get your opinion on this. I want to know what, what you think about nick sirianni and where he ranks right now and in the nfl as a head coach. You know, as a top five, as 10? You know, in four years, sirianni has four playoff appearances. He has five wins in the playoffs, two Super Bowl appearances and two NFC East titles. So, in your opinion, where does Sirianni rank right now in the rankings of 32 NFL head coaches? Bill, what do you say?
Speaker 2:Yeah, honestly I haven't put much thought into it. It maybe should have, but I'll say top 10. I think obviously the resume you just read off is worthwhile to be in that category. I wouldn't say top five yet. Let's see a little bit more. I think Young in his career, some obvious kind of legends in the spot still obviously on the other side as well. Um, but I think sirianni I would say top 10 and definitely good resume and great young coach with a lot of potential what about you, jose?
Speaker 3:well, I would say a top 10 guy. But I mean I I think the, the great coaches you know, can do it in a lot of places. You know, I mean when you look at the bill parcells and even you know, you know the Andy Reeds. I mean when you can go anywhere and win with with whomever. I mean I think he's got a great start with with Hertz and and obviously they fell into a really good defense and and you know, now he's got Saquon Barkley. I'm sorry, the main coaching. I imagine the coaching script is don't screw it up, you don't have to get too creative. But yeah, definitely a top 10 guy, but he's in Philly. So I mean it's one day they love you and next day they want to kill you. So I mean it's a tough market, regardless of what he's going to do. I mean I hate to see what's going to happen when he loses it, if, if he loses the Superbowl, what they're going to say about him now? So, but good coach, really good coach, Sure, what do you say, kurt?
Speaker 4:I would say certainly top 10 and certainly on the rise. If they can win on Sunday, I think that that keeps moving him up the ladder a lot. But yeah, I think you know his. You know he's off to a great start and has worked well with the roster he's got. But to Jose's point, you know the elite guys can do it anywhere and work with the players that they have in those programs, so but where he's at right now he's certainly doing a fantastic job and, like I said, if he wins Sunday he's definitely moving up.
Speaker 1:What do you say, Coach Worrell?
Speaker 5:I'm going to give you my standard controversial answer to this.
Speaker 1:Oh God, I can only imagine.
Speaker 5:Whether it's football, basketball, baseball. Right now, sirianni's, according to the media, top three, top five coach. They have a nice roster on both sides of the ball. Some things are going their way. Next year at this time he might not be in the top ten. The way things go For the time being the media and everybody he's a top five guy. Right now he's in the Super Bowl. Why not? Next year could be a different story talking about him valid.
Speaker 1:What do you say, coach mummy?
Speaker 6:well, I'm kind of like coach world. I you know what'd you just say. He's been in the NFC championship game twice and the Super Bowl twice. Now, well, you got to put him in the top three or so. But I will say this you know, bill Walsh was a real good friend of mine. His first three years in San Francisco he was ready to jump off the Golden Gate Bridge. I mean, they didn't do anything, and then all of a sudden they win three Super Bowls. It's a long climb up this coaching deal and you're only as good as your last day.
Speaker 6:We have a saying on our teams is just play the next play, and that's all we do, and so I think he's done a great job and I hope he continues. I do think Sunday is a big day job and I hope he continues. I do think Sunday is a big day for him and Jalen Hurts, because you've got Jalen going against Patrick. One of them could become the first guy to win three Super Bowls in a row and the other one could become the guy to lose too. So it's a really high mountain and the fall is really great. So I wish him luck and I think he's doing a great job. But that's this business.
Speaker 1:It doesn't get any it doesn't get any softer, absolutely. And you know I think about this and I go back to what Bill Parcells said your record is who you are and that that is exactly the truth. Um, I think when you look at Sirianni, you know he he's had a fantastic four years. I think he'll continue to do that. He's built the right way. I would say if you're looking at rankings, he has to be probably closer to top five. I would say I mean, with McCarthy being out now, you have to say it's Reed, for as much as I don't like him, I think he's so overrated Reed. Um, for as much as I don't like him, I think he's so overrated. Tomlin is in there, uh, sirianni. Um, kyle Shanahan has to be in there as well with what you know he's done. And and probably you would say maybe, um, uh, john Harbaugh having the Super Bowl as well, probably. They're all probably in that mix, um, somewhere with with one another.
Speaker 1:But I always go back to what Bill Parcells said You're as good as what your record says you are, and the record says he's whatever, 13-win team, 14-win team and playing for a Super Bowl championship. But to Jose's point. I want to go back to this and I'm going to get on my little tangent here, and then we're going to move on, because it is ride-home rants. If I want to see the success of somebody, do it over multiple teams, right, like someone like Mike McCarthy did win with two teams, right? Bill Parcells won with two teams. The general Tom Coughlin won with two teams. Guys that can win with two teams, that's awesome.
Speaker 1:Sometimes you stay one place too long and it gets stale, and then, yeah, you win, but you're not really winning right, because are you doing it with somewhere else? Are you drafting people to be successful, and all those things? That's why I don't like mike tomlin, because mike tomlin has gotten stale. Sure, he wins, that's fine, but the other thing is, though can mike tomlin win at that same rate with other teams? That's the thing. Mike Tomlin has not drafted a Hall of Famer. Bill Cowher drafted six Hall of Famers, potentially six Hall of Famers that Mike Tomlin inherited. Mike Tomlin won a Super Bowl in his second year with 18 starters from Bill Cowher's-led teams. So that's my tangent for the day about Mike Tomlin. We're going back to the Super Bowl though. So, bill, we're going to go with you on this one. Who wins this game and what's the score?
Speaker 2:Oh, getting to the hard-hitting questions now.
Speaker 1:It's hard to follow up after my rant about why I don't think Mike Tomlin's good.
Speaker 2:You're not wrong. You're not wrong and I don't disagree with you either. But as a Browns fan, going 500 might do something for me. We could put a point underneath that. So maybe consistency isn't all that bad, Fetty. But for the game prediction, I'm going to say Mahomes gets it done and we go Chiefs. I don't think it's crazy high scoring. I think the defense has kind of show up. It'll be like 24, 21 chiefs somewhere in there. Okay.
Speaker 1:Jose, what do you say?
Speaker 3:Yeah, I think Philly is going to try to slow the game down with the run and try to try to piss pound them, you know, and and just beat the life out of that defense. But I, I just, you know, my homes and Kelsey are kind of like the modern day Brady and Grock. You know, they, they, they stumble through the season some good games, some bad games, and people, oh, they're not the same and they get to that playoff man and they just hit that button and it's just a different. They're different guys. Because I mean, if you look at Kelsey during the season, he's just an abomination. He really is, you know, dropping passes, bad routes, missed blocks, and then he comes to the playoffs and he's got the cape on. So I agree, I don't think it's going to be a high-scoring thing, you know, I'd say it's like a 28-21 Chiefs win, because I mean, I just don't think, I don't think Philly's going to want to get into a shootout with Mahomes and I think they're going to try to slow it down with Saquon.
Speaker 1:Yeah, what do you say, coach Barth?
Speaker 4:Yeah, well, I might be talking with my heart here, I think, but I'd like to see, I would say Philadelphia 27-24. To your point that's been mentioned, I think that they try to grind it out and be efficient with their offense and, you know, just try to keep the Chiefs offense off the field as long as they can. But I think ultimately it's going to come down to, you know, them getting the run game established, taking care of the football. That's always going to be a key. Whoever makes the costly mistake, mistake, and every mistake can cost you. But if it costs you points, it's going to be a little bit more critical. So whoever can avoid that? But I'd you know I'm going to go with Philly 27-24.
Speaker 1:Okay, what do you say, mike?
Speaker 5:You know I like this answer, fetty. I probably said this to you before and we've argued and debated this. I coach a lot of games basketball close to 500. Coach Mummies coach a lot of games. In my career, 40% to 50% have come down to the last minute or two. The NFL has magnified even further in these playoff games where it's coming down to the end.
Speaker 5:One big play, one bad play, a bad call, something happens, your field goal kicker hits you upright. I've debated this with Fitty. In these games fate comes into play a lot of times. I know both teams are prepared, all the coaches know what they're doing on that level, the college and pro level. And uh, and fitty doesn't agree with me when I say fate gets involved in a lot of these games. At the end, when crazy things happen, you know a big play or a big fumble. I've lived that with the browns all my life. You know bad things happening at the end. And with that being said, fetty, I'm going to take the Eagles 23-20 and a twist of fate, something happening in the last couple minutes to make that score 23-20.
Speaker 1:Okay, Okay, good one there, Mike. What do you say, Coach Mike?
Speaker 6:Well, I kind of agree with Jose and Mike, both. I think this comes down to a will of quarterbacks, and you've got one guy who's won two Super Bowls and is already a Hall of Fame guy, and you've got another guy that wants to be there and the other guy has Saquon Barkley in the backfield and I'm going to go with the Eagles. But I'm kind of like Mike, I'm like 23-21 or something you know.
Speaker 1:Okay, I'm going to go, I'm going to pick the Eagles on this. I got to pick the Eagles because, because, you know, sirianni is a division three guy, he mountain union guy, you know, we, we we've all kind of been around that, that that small college game. You know there's a lot of great coaches that are have players who have transitioned to coaches from there. Uh, bill belichick, you know as well as a d3 guy. So I'm gonna, I'm gonna pull for my d3 guy, um, you know, and he went to mountain union, so not far away from here. So I'm gonna, I'm gonna pull for my d3 guy, um, you know, and he went to mountain union, so not far away from here. So I'm gonna pick the eagles, uh, 21, 17 in this and sirianni, uh getting it done, uh, for all the d3 people out there. So, um, that's gonna be kind of my pick on there. So, bill, I'm gonna go back to you on this and my after my rant about the coaches.
Speaker 1:And, you know, mike Tomlin not getting it done. You know, andy Reid has got it done right, he's got it done with two teams. He's been to, I think, something like nine AFC or NFC championship games during that time. Multiple Super Bowls now with both teams. So in your opinion, bill and I know you're a little bit younger uh, the group here. Where does andy reed rank right now for you? Is it top five all time? Is it top 10 all time? As an nfl coach, what do you think?
Speaker 2:uh, like you said, I definitely have not been around for some of the the old head coaches, but, um, obviously I've heard a ton about him and know the resumes, but I would say obviously, in my opinion, definitely top 10. I think if we can add another Super Bowl here for Andy Reid and I don't know if he's done anytime really soon, I think he can creep into top five range Again. A ton of great coaches out there Been a long history in the NFL but I think he's definitely one of the greats and definitely Hall of Famer very, very likely.
Speaker 1:But, jose, before I get to you, I'm going to throw mine out here because I'm going to bring back some of the old school for everybody. So I would say, you know there's Belichick is one, and then I'm going to just get throw some other names out there. You have Chuck Knoll four four super bowls in six years. You have tom landry, 29 years, three super bowls, I believe, six appearances. You have don schula, nfl's all-time uh winningest coach ever. You have curly lambo. You have vince lombardi uh, you have, you know, guys, guys of that um stature as well.
Speaker 1:I would even say I would consider what Bill Cowher did during his time close to a top 10 coach. You have the general Tom Coughlin, the only guy to beat Tom Brady in the Super Bowl twice. You have him. You have Mike Shanahan as well. You have Dan Reeves, who went to four super bowls. You have um marv levy, who went to four super bowls as well. There's a lot of great uh you know coaches out there that you can compare them with. So, just throwing some of them names out there, you know for us, um cow's buddy. You know, uh, bill walsh. You have george seaford as well. So, jose, where does Andy Reid fall in amongst all those guys.
Speaker 3:How do I follow that? Really, it's like wow, you know what I mean. I think he's a top five coach for a lot of reasons, but the main reason is because of the adjustments he had to have made off the field. I mean, think about all those guys you mentioned who are awesome coaches. I mean, I mean I lived through the seventies, you know, through the Steelers and and the eighties and the 49ers and the nineties with the Cowboys. But think about it. He's got to deal with social media, he's got to deal with cell phones, he's got to deal with gender identity. He's got to deal with all this stuff and he did it for a long time. You know what I mean and a lot of the coaches you mentioned didn't have to deal with all that. You know what I mean and and there's so many different like there's positions now, like my position at FIU, I'm a general manager at a at FBS school and didn't exist, I mean. And so there's there he's at 60, some odd years old, 65 years old.
Speaker 3:He has lived through a lot of the changes of the of the game itself, on and off the field, and has been successful, and I don't know how many coaches can say that. You know that, that they've done it. You know, and, like you said, I think Chuck Knoll I mean, I was a Steelers fan at a in the 70s, just like everybody else, but they were all bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, I mean and he spread his out over some time to where he he had the suffrage in philadelphia. Man, they, they, he couldn't, he was the buffalo bills of the, the nfc. You know he couldn't get it done. And now he's in kansas city and, like I said, living through um social media and and all the changes in this world, he's got to be a top five guy just because he's handled changes and adversities that not a lot of coaches have seen.
Speaker 1:That's a great great point on that. You know, as society has changed and the game has changed and technology has changed he's one of those guys that's just adapted with that, kurt. What would you say about that?
Speaker 4:I'm glad Jose had to follow up that because he made a lot of very good points. You know, I do think that you know from my time frame, he's certainly a top three coach. But as you start to go back in the earlier days of football, absolutely there's a lot of guys that you could make an argument for and put them certainly ahead of him. But I don't know, I guess from the past or previous years, as many coaches had to deal with staff turnover as much as maybe what Andy Reid has had to.
Speaker 4:It seems like every year your top teams, they're going to pick your coordinators, they're going to take position coaches, and they're gonna. They're gonna pick your coordinators, they're gonna take position coaches and they're gonna move on. So I think just his ability to adapt year in, year out, putting staff together, shows he's a fantastic leader. He's put, he's put his teams in championship levels everywhere. He's been and and on a consistent basis. So you know, he's obviously a great leader and and builds his staff up, coaches them up to put them in good spots as well as his team. So yeah, I think you know, certainly like from from this era, he's definitely in that, in that top top few spots.
Speaker 1:Okay, what about you, Mike, and I know you, you're not into the whole ranking coaches thing, Mike, and you know you and I have had these personal conversations a lot and I know you think Marty Schottenheimer should be in the Hall of Fame and I think a lot of people would agree and some people would disagree with that too. I'm sure you would probably say he's even close to top 10 regular season. But, Mike, Andy Reid, where does he fall for you?
Speaker 5:I always thought Andy Reid was a very good coach when he was at Philadelphia, very good coach when he was at Philadelphia and I think, regardless if he's won these last two, if he did not win these last two Super Bowls at Kansas City, I still think he's, you know, one of the all-time great coaches. I think a lot of people base greatness on. Did they win the Super Bowl? They win the NBA title. There's a lot of NBA players and coaches that great players, great coaches that never won a title. They're still hall of famers.
Speaker 5:I mean there's a lot of NFL great players, great coaches, not just Marty Schottenheimer. There's been other coaches that have really been good coaches in the NFL, just could not, could not get there and get that big win. But in my book, winning the Super Bowl does not to me guarantee that guy was an all-time great coach. They were for that year. But I thought Andy Reid was a great coach before he was winning Super Bowls when he was with the Eagles. So if he loses this game Sunday, he's still, you know, a top 10 or 20 coach of all time in my opinion, You've been around the game a long time.
Speaker 1:You've seen the innovation and you've seen the changes and you've worked with a lot of people and coached number one draft pick in the NFL and numerous football players that have went on to have successful careers in the NFL and got to know a lot of NFL coaches. What would you say about Andy Reid's ranking on this? Well?
Speaker 6:I'm going to go back to my experience a little bit, because we built the air raid offense off of Lavelle Edwards, mouse Davis and Bill Walsh. I just blatantly stole ideas from those three guys and I did it over a series of years. The only smart thing I did was I kept going back to those three guys. I didn't go to anybody else to screw me up. So that's how it got built. That's how Mike Leach had a career. That's how Dana Holgerson had a career. That's how Sonny Dice has had a career. That's how Mike Leach had a career. That's how Dana Holgerson had a career. That's how Sonny Dyches had a career. That's how Neil Brown's had a career. All these guys, chris Hatcher, they've all had careers because of that.
Speaker 6:And Andy, to me, is in the top five because he was trained by Lavelle Edwards and it has shown, as I've seen, this over decades now, because I started going to BYU in 1987 to study In 1985, I was the offense coordinator at UTEP and we beat them when they were the number one team in the nation and so they invited me to come visit. So I took a high school job in Texas and then I went up there and visited every year for about 10 years, twice a year, and so I saw what Lavelle was doing. Andy Reid winning a third Super Bowl will be a tribute to Lavelle Edwards and that's the way I feel. Tribute to Lavelle Edwards and that's the way I feel. And you know, I hope he can pull it off. I do, but he's definitely in the top five. I mean, how can you if you win three Super Bowls in a row?
Speaker 1:who else has done that? Sure, sure, you know that's a great point and I think if I don't go on, I'm not going to go on another tangent here to save everybody the time, but I would say probably, if I'm going to rank my top five and then we're going to go on to the next question, I'm going to say Belichick is one. I got to say Don Shula is probably two. The man had success with the Baltimore Colts and the Miami Dolphins and had the only undefeated team in NFL history and won back-to-back Super Bowls. Granted, he had a lot of great players, you know, but he had the no-name defense, you know, and Zonka and those guys too. So I would say, you know, he's probably right there. I would say Landry is three because he built the Cowboys of what they are today is off the back of of Tom Landry. I would probably have to say Vince Lombardi is, for I mean, it is Vince Lombardi.
Speaker 6:You know who you're not mentioning is Weeb Eubanks.
Speaker 1:Weeb Eubanks Great coach.
Speaker 6:He won the NFL championship at Baltimore and then he went to the New York Jets who were the New York Titans before he went there the most pathetic team in pro football. And then, in what three or four years, he has Joe Namath and wins the Super Bowl when nobody thinks the AFL can do that. I'm the only one old enough to remember all this, but Wee View Banks was a brilliant coach and a brilliant guy. He needs to be ranked in there somewhere.
Speaker 1:You know what? I didn't even, I didn't even think of him, coach mommy, and you know what I mean. I'm, and I'm, a Jets fan. I've been a Jets fan my whole life and I've suffered being a Jets fan my whole life.
Speaker 6:Well, you suffered ever since we've retired.
Speaker 1:You know that's, that's valid, you know. But I would say, you know he's up there, but I to me Andy Reed's probably number five. I would say he's, he's probably number five in there. I just think it's really hard to say right now he could be better than those other guys just because of the longevity, also with one team of Landry, you know, and Don Shula. But it was great, great point on that. You know as well, mike, you're going to throw something in here.
Speaker 5:Yeah, I was going to tell coach mommy I. I remember that I cried as a kid my dad is an NFL guy yeah, when the jets, when the jets beat them that day, it was a devastating blow to the NFL. I was like nine years old. I cried like a baby. Today I think it's great, but at the time you know, oh yeah, oh yeah, a terrible offense.
Speaker 6:Weeb was great at being simple in terms of offense, and so his players always knew exactly what to do, and when Namath made all his famous statements, you know before the game that we're going to win. He knew that because they knew they were exactly what to do in any situation against the Colts, and of course, we even coached the Colts a few years before. So I mean, it wasn't like we didn't know the personnel.
Speaker 1:You know, and we'll go to the next question buddy, a young Jets assistant was the legendary Buddy Ryan. Know the personnel. You know, you know, and uh, and we'll go to the next question buddy, a young jets assistant was the legendary buddy ryan, the father of rex ryan right on on that team, and rob ryan as well, and man, I wish rex ryan would have got the jets job again this year that would have been awesome.
Speaker 6:but you know, rob and I were roommates for a month in a sprint. Every night we drank beer and argued over what we were going to do with each other the next day and I learned so much about the 46 defense from Rob. He is a great coach and I'm glad he went out there with Lincoln Riley to USC. I'm glad to see him out there. It's going to help them immensely.
Speaker 1:Yeah, no, that's great. See, you have Coach Mummy on and we find out all types of coaching stories, so I'm glad everybody you know gets to hear this. This is a funner question, though, for everybody. So, taking the game out of the equation, right? Taking the game out of the equation. What are you more looking forward to? The halftime show or all the commercials, bill?
Speaker 2:Commercials. For me Just there's different varieties, varieties. I feel like the halftime shows hit or miss. I feel like varying, uh, opinions always on that. But the commercials I think are always kind of funny, keep you engaged, um, keep you kind of tied in.
Speaker 1:So I'll say commercial okay, what about you, jose I?
Speaker 3:am. I like the music, you know, not so much the performances, if that makes sense, you know the music's good, but I'm always a commercial guy because they always make me laugh. So I'm a sucker for the commercials.
Speaker 1:What about you, Coach Barth?
Speaker 4:Definitely commercials, definitely commercials.
Speaker 1:What about you, Mike?
Speaker 5:Betty, I'm all about the game, Commercials. I'll go to the bathroom or get something to eat at halftime, I'll go outside or do something and all I care about is the game commercials.
Speaker 1:I'll go to the bathroom or get something to eat at halftime. I'll go outside or do something and I all I care about is the game. That's great, mike. What about you, coach?
Speaker 6:mommy, I'm definitely with mike. We're both old and so we have to go to the bathroom. A lot commercials provide that occasionally. I come in and catch the end of one funny one and think, oh well, I should have seen that would have been funny.
Speaker 1:And, and halftime I definitely skip, because that's a we could either eat or or whatever okay, I always like the commercials they used to do, all those uh like budweiser horse commercials those are always, those are always great.
Speaker 1:They're playing football and the one horse, um, he gets left out and they have the dog train him like Rocky and he's running with the train tied to him and all that stuff. So big Rocky fan had my Rocky mug on with my hat here today, looking like I was going boxing or something. So one of the final two questions I want to ask you guys is this First one Bill, we're going to go with you. Would the Eagles still be here without Saquon Barkley?
Speaker 2:no, I don't think so. I, I don't think so. I mean it's so tough to get here and I think he's just been such a pivotal part of the team all year long you look at the regular season obviously just kind of built that offense through him this year, um, so I don't know, tough to say, but I think he's been that pivotal that I have to say no okay, jose, what would you say on this?
Speaker 3:absolutely not. No, I mean, jalen hurts isn't enough to carry that team. I mean that's why they had to get aj brown and they got smith as a receiver. I mean he could throw the ball all day but, um, you know, you get down to that end zone and coach mummy can tell you it's like putting a watermelon in a bunny hole, you know you've got to be able to run the ball.
Speaker 3:And now you got a guy who, I'm shocked the giants staff is still there by letting him go away. And you, you got to he I don't, I'm not gonna say a general generational player, but he's had a generational season, you know, and and um, for him to go there and take it. It's almost, it's almost reminiscent to me of of watching farve when he played with adrian peterson. Adrian peterson was the most popular guy with the vikings for however long he was there, until Favre got there. And you know, anybody who's coached knows if you're going to play them, you're going to load the box. Favre's going to kill you. You back off, adrian's going to kill you. And that's what you got with Philadelphia. And so I mean, I don't know how much money Saquon is making, but Jalen Hurts needs to share some of his millions with him, because he would not be there again without him.
Speaker 6:No question.
Speaker 1:Coach, coach Barth, I'm curious to hear from you because, if I'm not mistaken, you went to college as a running back and transitioned to receiver. So I'm kind of curious to hear from, like, the offensive perspective here of you. Would Saquon or sorry, would the Eagles be there without Saquon or not?
Speaker 4:Well, I hate to disappoint you, but I definitely agree with Bill and Jose. I mean, I think their offensive line is definitely strong, one of the best at top in the league. You know, jalen Hurts is certainly a quality quarterback, talented receiving core, but at the end of the day, they've relied on Saquon to to do a lot of the work for him and uh to get the big yards, make big plays. I don't think you can just plug any other running back in behind him and have the same success. I mean he, he is, uh, he is a true talent that uh has separated himself from others in the league, obviously, and and it's uh yeah. I don't think that uh, they'd be there without him.
Speaker 1:And I was right on that. Didn't you go to college as a running back and then went to receiver?
Speaker 4:I did, I did, I uh about two weeks in the camp. We had a guy get hurt and they moved me out and uh ended up being a good situation for me.
Speaker 1:And a great situation for yourureka football. Look up everybody. Kurt Barth, hall of Famer for Eureka College. Shout out to that multiple time a thousand yard receiver, uh, hall of Famer, and multiple time, uh, all-american. So a little shout out for Coach Barth there. He's too humble to admit that, but I'll shout you out, coach for you. So thank you. Oh, you're welcome, mike. What do you say about this with the? Are the Eagles there with Al Saquon?
Speaker 5:I don't think so. I mean, you never know. I think they could run the ball to a certain extent with whoever they have there, but not like they are with him. The way he's playing right now. I mean he was great with the Giants. I mean it's no surprise what he's doing with the Eagles. So I'd say no. And when you get back to Coach Barth you have to. You know he had one of the best NCAA Division III running backs of all time there. For when?
Speaker 5:my daughter you know, my daughter played volleyball at Eureka and knows Coach Barth, and when you get back to him ask him about how many yards and how many touchdowns his great running back had, which probably three years ago.
Speaker 1:Well, you know what, mike? I actually know that because Lee Anthony was a guest on this show, courtesy of Kurt Barth's nephew Drew getting him on for us. So yeah, there you go with the Eureka connection right there. Definitely know, and I believe Lee Anthony's still playing overseas. Last I knew he was like in Finland playing, I believe. So, coach Mommy, what do you say? I already know the answer because you said it. But are the Eagles there without Barkley?
Speaker 6:No, not at all, and I agree with what everything's been said. I mean they you know it was kind of weird the Eagles knew how to use Saquon because they had Jalen At the Giants. They had Saquon but they had a guy who couldn't do what Jalen could do what Jalen could do. And so now when you play the Eagles you have to worry about two running backs in a four-wide situation. So, defensively, those coordinators they're pulling their hair out, they really are, and I'm sure Kansas City's doing that tonight. But no, I agree with what everybody else said and you know that's why I picked the Eagles. Like I told you before, my heartstring is really with the Chiefs, but I'm picking the Eagles because I just think they have the revenge factor in their minds. You have the Jalen Hurts I want to be in the elite quarterback factor in their minds and they have Saquon Barkley and the Chiefs don't.
Speaker 1:That's fair. The last one here I'm going to say I'm going to give my answer first. Let you guys think about this. But would the Chiefs let me rephrase this who is literally the most important person for the Chiefs and the reason they're here? Is it Mahomes at the quarterback? Is it Andy Reid as the head coach? Or is it Steve Spagnolia, the four-time Super Bowl champion defensive coordinator, making this thing go? Out? Of those three guys, who is the reason the Chiefs are who they are? If you think about replacing one of them, I'm going to say it's Andy Reed, because without Andy Reed, these guys aren't who they are. The guys that have left Andy Reid's team and become head coaches as assistants have now come back because they couldn't make it. That is the way that I can tell that Andy Reid has had total control over that team, but Spagnolia is pretty close because he is a four-time winning Super Bowl champion defensive coordinator. Bill, what do you say on this? Those three guys Mahomes, spags, reed who makes this thing go?
Speaker 2:This is the age-old tough question. Going back to Brady Belichick and what really matters, I'm going to say Mahomes here. I'm going to say because you look at Andy, andy Reed's career, kind of coming from Philadelphia he's always been great. But I think when you get that top tier, generational type quarterback, they're able to just find a way to win the game at the end when the game really matters big time players make big time plays in big time games. So I think that's what's kind of made them into the super bowl winning kind of franchise recently is with my homes. I think would have had great teams and may have been around there without him, but he kind of gets the. I just think kind of puts them over the top, gets those super bowls done, cause he just makes it happen in the game.
Speaker 1:What do you say?
Speaker 3:Jose, I say my homes, and I, as a, what do you say Jose? I say Mahomes. And as a coach, you know there's I was told there's there's good coaches, but they're the good coaches always. You know, like they said, there's great players and good coaches. Let great players be great.
Speaker 3:And you look at Andy Reed. I mean he's had Alex Smith, who was a good quarterback. He had Donovan McNabb, good quarterback, and he did nothing close to what he's doing with Pat Mahomes. And I just think, when you're a beneficiary of talent Nick Sirianni, we just talked about him how does he rank as a coach? But he was a beneficiary of having somebody lace his team, you know, with some good talent. I mean it reminds me of Matt LaFleur. You know he fell into the Packers with Aaron Rogers and now you know Jordan Love. There's not a lot of struggle there. I mean you basically go there not to screw it up and I remember hearing an interview with Andy Reid talking about that that you know he's still the same guy.
Speaker 3:You know he's still the same guy calling the. You know some plays, but he's got a different tool with Patrick Mahomes, who's a totally different quarterback than Alex Smith and and Donovan McNabb. And when you, when you say that, I mean, is the is his offense the same? Was he running the same things with Donovan McNabb as he is with Patrick Mahomes? And the answer is no, it isn't. He's not running these backwards passes and these flips and then all that. No, you didn't see Donovan McNabb do that, and so that's why I said it's players. The league is made up of players, and I've always been behind that and I think great coaches, you know, let great players be great, as opposed to try to change them. So that's, that's my take on it sure that's valid.
Speaker 1:And it goes back to my mike tomlin thing. He inherited big ben correct here. Did all those great players right? Tomlin didn't have any of any say in any of that. He inherited all of them. They were drafted by Cowher. There's my rant again.
Speaker 3:I tapped the stake on the head with that one, didn't I?
Speaker 1:You know and if anything you know, if he ever gets, if he ever does get fired which hopefully next year he does tell my guy Heinz Ward love Heinz Ward. I know that's your buddy Tell him to go be Distillers head coach.
Speaker 3:Oh, he wants to run it back full circle. He wants to be trust me. He does.
Speaker 1:So, um, that's a just fun fact right there, jose coached, uh, with Heinz Ward for a few years and Heinz Ward, former New York jets assistant coach. So, um, you know, coach Barth, you've been a head coach for you know a long time on, for you know a long time on, you know numerous levels and you've had some record-setting players and you've had some some great, uh, you know assistant coaches and you're you're a great head coach yourself. So, in your opinion, where is this falling with the eagles? Is it spags as a defensive coordinator? Is it andy reed or is it mahomes?
Speaker 4:well, I think it kind of goes back to the first question we had who the x factor was, uh, for the teams or for the game? Even and and Mahomes was brought up, and you know, I certainly think, you know a coach's job is to to give guys, put the guys in the right spots, give them opportunities. But at the end of the day, the guys on the field have to make a play, and Mahomes has done that in multiple crunch situations, you know, throughout his career. So you know, I, I think, so I think I would rest with him.
Speaker 1:Okay, All right, Mike, you're up. Give me your basketball analogy on this. Mike, Give me your basketball analogy. I know you're going to pull one out here and I can't wait to hear it.
Speaker 5:This is going to be a basic answer. Fetty, I'd say Mahomes, he pulls out plays at the end of the games. But I want to say, when their offense struggled the first half of the year, their defense has been the best it's been. I think this year. If you're giving Spagnola the credit or the players, whoever but the Chiefs' defense is the first 8-10 games is what won them, pulled them through. When the chiefs defense is the first eight 10 games, what won them? Pulled them through when the chiefs offense was kind of struggling at that time. Now, now they're playing better and they got the combination good defense and my homes. You know the offense is clicking. So I don't know if I really answered your question, but I I know their defense has been the best it's been this year. No, that's, that's valid, mike, but I know their defense has been the best it's been this year.
Speaker 1:No, that's valid, mike. And Mike, I want to throw two quick basketball things out. We're going to go to how and then we're going to finish this up. So, number one, mike in your opinion, does Pat Riley win those championships with the Lakers, with Magic Johnson? If he doesn't have Magic, does he still win those titles? No way, okay, that's all I wanted to know with that. And the second thing is uh, mike, I and I believe Jose have this story correct, but Jose played a little bit of basketball out in Phoenix one time with, uh, with your guy Dan Mallory, is that how you say? His?
Speaker 5:name Marley.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 3:Mike's a big.
Speaker 1:Mike's a big fan. Jose got to play some pickup with him a couple of times.
Speaker 3:Dan Marley, barkley, kj. And it was. It was a great time. And what I was going to say really quick was, you know, being a court being a coordinator, play caller, good coaches call good plays. Great coaches call on players. And you know Andy recalls on I mean, let's be real on on when they played Buffalo on fourth down, you knew patrick holmes was gonna bootleg that ball. He wasn't gonna give it to anybody and that's that's calling on a player, not a play. But that's why he's an x factor to me. But that's that's just my take, sorry no, no, that that's fair.
Speaker 1:Just one other thing too. You know, andy reed, though, has has, in all honesty, had great defensive coordinators. You know, spags, he had sean mcdermott, head coach of buffalo bills, and, um, rest in peace um, jim johnson from the eagles, for a long time as well. So andy reed's also always had great defensive coordinators. So, um, how you going to round this out on? Uh, on this one?
Speaker 6:if you're still there, um okay.
Speaker 1:Is it Andy Reed? Is it spags, you know? Is it?
Speaker 6:we're talking about for this game, right.
Speaker 1:It making this whole thing go, not just this game, the season and, you know, this run that they've had to win the super bowl.
Speaker 6:It's on spags, because he has to get Philadelphia off the field. And you got Saquon and you got Jalen and you got the revenge factor in their minds. And then you got Kansas city and you got the. Okay, it's not a revenge factor, it's a we can be the only ones to have ever done this factor. So it comes down to between Jalen and Patrick, Jalen and Patrick. So if Spaggs can get Philadelphia off the field three times in the first half and two or three times in the second half and I'm talking like three and outs or something then Patrick wins. Okay, If he can't do that, then Jalen and Saquon are going to wear them out and I don't know what the score would be from that, but if they wear them out it could be a two-score game, you know.
Speaker 1:Okay, well, thank you for sharing that and thank you to all of you for, you know, coming on this, this show. It's been a lot of fun talking about the super bowl preview and the big game here coming up between the eagles and the chiefs. You know, hearing a lot of different sides, hearing a lot of funny stories going off on some tangents and it's all. What about ride home rants is for the listeners out there, uh, to the legends of the show, the legendary how mummy, uh, you know, and everything that you've done in your career.
Speaker 1:Coach, thank you for being on uh legendary, legendary mike whirl uh for being on, given the basketball perspective of things uh. The all-american kurt barth and all his numerous, numerous success olympic hopeful. Jose jefferson, the new general manager of the fiu football team. And the legend Bill Stoid, mr Westside Cleveland, himself out here spinning all the news for us, knowing all the things about all the things. So that's going to do it for this week's episode of the Ride Home Rants podcast. As always, if you enjoyed the show, be a friend and tell a friend, and if you didn't like it, tell them anyways, because I bet they like it just because you did it. This is Fitty signing off. We'll see you next week, thanks.
